38 spl reload ?

[Arley]

OK finally got some bullets X-treme bullets . Never loades up ant 38 spl before . Reloading on a Dillon 550 Book says 3.3 grains with 125 gr. JHP .

Thro a case and look inside the case , only about a 4th of the case filled with Bullseye powder . Weighs at 3.3 gr.

So with 2 3rds empty of powder even with the bullet seated ? Seems a lot of space with air only

Can this be right :confused: :confused: :o :o :( :(

Arley

[AFJuvat]

I just looked on the Alliant website, and it shows 4.5 grains of Bullseye for a 125gr Speer GDHP

http://www.alliantpowder.com/reloaders/recipedetail.aspx?gtypeid=1&weight=125&shellid=26&bulletid=28

[RKP]

Lyman 49th edition says:
38 Special
125 gr. Jacketed HP
1.470” OAL

Bullseye powder:
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Suggested Starting Grains = 3.2
Velocity fps = 568
Pressure C.U.P. = 10,200
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Max Load Grains = 4.4
Velocity fps = 860
Pressure C.U.P. = 16,500
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[sdmc530]

Yeah its crazy all that space. 10mm has a lot or empty space too.


BUT nobody's rounds has as much empty dpace as Ellison do funny

[Arley]

Thanks for your info. Guess it is right . Just never saw so much dead air , other than my Ex .

[Gatorade]

Just be careful of double charges. Maybe look for a powder that fills the case better? Trailboss is pretty good at filling up a case.

I have never used fillers but have heard they can be useful in these situations.

[sdmc530]

I have never used fillers but have heard they can be useful in these situations.

I will not use fillers. I have read that people using:
Corn meal, cream of wheat, kapok, Dacron pillow filling, paper wads, saw dust. I have looked into this and don't think its a great idea.

Here is my concern or issues:

1. Moisture, if you use something that attracts or holds moisture you in for issues without even getting to shoot the load.

2. Compaction, if you use a material that might compact the powder and say it does get some condensation and it compacts or hardens now you have a "plug" between the powder and the projectile and might have a possible pressure issue or even a catastrophic failure?

I don't know if there has been any definitive studies on this buy anybody but my opinion on this would be its not worth the trouble. I would say use a powder that has more mass or just do what you should do every time you load bullets no matter what powder you use...pay attention?!

Just my very humble opinion.

[DrHenley]

Don't know about other fillers, but cream of wheat is a tried and true filler that has been used for a long time.

You don't want to compress it much, but you do have to compress it slightly to keep it from mixing with the powder.

Yes, it will get compacted. I know because I had to dig some out of cases that I pulled down. But even compacted, as long as it is dry, it turns into a fine powder when fired...wheat flour I guess...

Moisture could be a problem. I don't leave cases filled with cream of wheat sitting around a long time. And my ammo crates have desiccant.

I even use it with Trail Boss in some "bunny fart" loads.

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