Sig Sauer

[sstpierre]

Are these 1911's shunned here? I actually sold my Colt XSE Lightweight Commander model in favor of keeping the Sig 1911 Carry when I needed some funds.

My reasons were as follows:

Side by side, the Colt was out shined by the Sig. Fit, finish, front strap checkering, non-polymer mainspring housing, night sights, all in a cheaper package. (albeit not by much)

The Colt would fetch more money, and held it's value better than the Sig.

The only thing I don't care for in the Sig is the external extractor, but the Sig ran just as good as the Colt as far as reliability, and both had zero issues with any malfunctions.

What are some members thoughts on the Sig Sauer 1911's? Mostly speaking of comparably priced similar models of 1911's.

-S.c.o.t.t.

[Xbonz]

I have two Sig 1911's. Have had ZERO issues with them, same for the 3 other models of Sig I own.

[Caleb]

WHAAAAAAAAATTTT?!!!

:banhim:

The only thing I don't like about the Sigs is the fat slides, box looking. The external extractor is ok and works fine. But, honestly lately I have been looking hard at the RIA's. Dollar for dollar, they are a great bargain.

Don't worry about guys bashing you for what you own/carry/buy, we are not like other forums. We do joke around a lot, tho.

[sstpierre]

I have two Sig 1911's. Have had ZERO issues with them, same for the 3 other models of Sig I own.

:toast:

WHAAAAAAAAATTTT?!!!

:banhim:

The onlyvthing I don't like about the Sigs is the fat slides, box looking. The external extractor is ok and works fine. But, honestly lately I have been looking hard at the RIA's. Dollar for dollar, they are a great bargain.

Don't worry about guys bashing you for what you own/carry/buy, we are not like other forums. We do joke around a lot, tho.

LOL! That reminded me of the part in the Monty Python Holy Grail movie where they wanted to burn the "witch"... "Burn Her"

Ya I like to joke around too, and my skin is very thick nowadays in case it's serious... nanner

I do agree with you though, but it doesn't bother me a whole lot, but the slides certainly could have been more traditional, but I guess that's why they have their "Traditional" models of 1911's... (Which still seem less than traditional on the slides...)

-S.c.o.t.t.

[MajO]

I recently (two weeks ago) found out that Sig Sauer gives a significant discount to retired military, as well as AD military and law enforcement.

"SIG SAUER is proud to offer discounts to Law Enforcement and Military members on a wide range of our most popular duty-style pistols and rifles. Those who carry a firearm on duty as a public safety official or military member may qualify for our discount programs, through one of our SIG SAUER Law Enforcement Distributors (SLED).

Qualifying individuals:

•Active or Retired Law Enforcement with official agency credentials
•Court Officers with official agency credentials or official documentation
•State / County / City Coroners with official agency credentials or official documentation
•First Responders with current credentials or official documentation
•Active Duty Military with an active duty identification
•Retired Military with retired military identification
•Active Reservists with Military Identification
•Active National Guard with Military Identification
•NRA Certified Firearms Instructors with current certificate of training"

http://www.sigsauer.com/LawEnforcement/Default.aspx

It would be nice if Dan Wesson, Springfield, Colt, or any other American manufacturer would give such a discount. It seems ironic to me that two German companies, Glock and Sig Sauer do. :rolleyes:

[Xbonz]

WHAAAAAAAAATTTT?!!!

:banhim:

The onlyvthing I don't like about the Sigs is the fat slides, box looking. The external extractor is ok and works fine. But, honestly lately I have been looking hard at the RIA's. Dollar for dollar, they are a great bargain.

Don't worry about guys bashing you for what you own/carry/buy, we are not like other forums. We do joke around a lot, tho.

I disagree. My Sig's don't look any fatter or boxier than my Springer. If you search for my Sig and Springfield threads and look at the photos you'll see what I'm talking about.

[DrHenley]

Since Sig primarily makes other pistols, the management didn't deem the Sig 1911 worthy of its own section, so we get lumped into the Sig section in "Other Semiauto Pistols."

I have two.
http://www.cotep.org/forum/picture.php?albumid=22&pictureid=615 My Ultra Carry is the most reliable pistol I've ever owned...well, I guess with the exception of my Encore pistol...:rolleyes:

And it's the best looking pistol I ever owned too.

http://www.cotep.org/forum/picture.php?albumid=98&pictureid=593


I like the external extractor. It just works. A lot of the bad rap for external extractors was due to the aborted attempt by Kimber at putting external extractors on their 1911s, which were way too short to be effective.

BTW, my DW has an external extractor too. It just works, too.

[NAMVET72]

I recently (two weeks ago) found out that Sig Sauer gives a significant discount to retired military, as well as AD military and law enforcement.

"SIG SAUER is proud to offer discounts to Law Enforcement and Military members on a wide range of our most popular duty-style pistols and rifles. Those who carry a firearm on duty as a public safety official or military member may qualify for our discount programs, through one of our SIG SAUER Law Enforcement Distributors (SLED).

Qualifying individuals:

•Active or Retired Law Enforcement with official agency credentials
•Court Officers with official agency credentials or official documentation
•State / County / City Coroners with official agency credentials or official documentation
•First Responders with current credentials or official documentation
•Active Duty Military with an active duty identification
•Retired Military with retired military identification
•Active Reservists with Military Identification
•Active National Guard with Military Identification
•NRA Certified Firearms Instructors with current certificate of training"

http://www.sigsauer.com/LawEnforcement/Default.aspx

It would be nice if Dan Wesson, Springfield, Colt, or any other American manufacturer would give such a discount. It seems ironic to me that two German companies, Glock and Sig Sauer do. :rolleyes:




Joe Dan Wesson does give a Discount to Military but not Retired which suxs,


Clyde

[Caleb]

I disagree. My Sig's don't look any fatter or boxier than my Springer. If you search for my Sig and Springfield threads and look at the photos you'll see what I'm talking about.

Give us some aerial pics of the sigs next to the springers, I bet they are different. (unless I'm missing something).

[Xbonz]

Give us some aerial pics of the sigs next to the springers, I bet they are different. (unless I'm missing something).


There are 2 Sigs, 2 SA's 1 Colt and 1 RIA here. Can you tell the difference?
(sorry for the lousy pics, a photog I ain't)
http://i1188.photobucket.com/albums/z411/Xbonz/100_0504_zps317f39f2.jpg
http://i1188.photobucket.com/albums/z411/Xbonz/100_0505_zps82c836e0.jpg
http://i1188.photobucket.com/albums/z411/Xbonz/100_0506_zps8124704d.jpg

http://i1188.photobucket.com/albums/z411/Xbonz/100_0507_zpse53d990b.jpg

[Caleb]

The Sigs are (left to right).... Number 1 and 4

[Xbonz]

The Sigs are (left to right).... Number 1 and 4

You s*ck....:p :D

[Caleb]

BTW...... Where did you get your pistol ra,cks?

[Xbonz]

BTW...... Where did you get your pistol racks?

NRA store

[Caleb]

You s*ck....:p :D

It was too easy, just look for the blocks.....:p

[Caleb]

NRA store

Thanks, how are they? Quality? Worth the money?

[Xbonz]

I like them, except for the fact they're Chinese. Hold the pistols in place, don't absorb water or oil and don't mar the finishes. Can probably find them for a little less but the extra $$ goes to the NRA... Made by Hyskore

[Caleb]

Ok, thanks.

[milkmanjoe]

There are 2 Sigs, 2 SA's 1 Colt and 1 RIA here. Can you tell the difference?
(sorry for the lousy pics, a photog I ain't)
http://i1188.photobucket.com/albums/z411/Xbonz/100_0504_zps317f39f2.jpg
http://i1188.photobucket.com/albums/z411/Xbonz/100_0505_zps82c836e0.jpg
http://i1188.photobucket.com/albums/z411/Xbonz/100_0506_zps8124704d.jpg

http://i1188.photobucket.com/albums/z411/Xbonz/100_0507_zpse53d990b.jpg


bonz.....when ready to sell the Black Stainless Springer let me know..I love the look of those guns.

[MajO]

Joe Dan Wesson does give a Discount to Military but not Retired which suxs,


Clyde

Clyde,

It still makes it hard for me to justify the price difference for a Dan Wesson (Specialist), as I was planning to do, when I can get a Sig Sauer for close to$1000 less. I have also recently had excellent service from Sig's Customer Service. My 3 years old P238 was having FTF problems and, for the cost of shipping, Sig replaced everything you could in the pistol and one of my magazines-at no cost. I was blown away. And, it was all done within two weeks.

I hope that all is well with you.


Joe

[sstpierre]

The Sigs are (left to right).... Number 1 and 4

You s*ck....:p :D

He cheats! :D

The grips gave away #1 at least, with your follow up shot, and anyone that has owned a Sig could probably tell from the front shots...

NICE 1911's Bonz! nanner

[DrHenley]

I disagree. My Sig's don't look any fatter or boxier than my Springer. If you search for my Sig and Springfield threads and look at the photos you'll see what I'm talking about.

This is what he means by "boxier."
http://www.cotep.org/forum/picture.php?albumid=98&pictureid=761

But if that is an issue, Sig makes round top 1911s too, which they call "1911 Traditional Models"
http://www.sigsauer.com/CatalogProductList/pistols-1911-traditional-models.aspx

[Xbonz]

:wf: :D

[sstpierre]

This is what he means by "boxier."
http://www.cotep.org/forum/picture.php?albumid=98&pictureid=761

But if that is an issue, Sig makes round top 1911s too, which they call "1911 Traditional Models"
http://www.sigsauer.com/CatalogProductList/pistols-1911-traditional-models.aspx

The perfect illustration!

[Caleb]

This is what he means by "boxier."
http://www.cotep.org/forum/picture.php?albumid=98&pictureid=761

But if that is an issue, Sig makes round top 1911s too, which they call "1911 Traditional Models"
http://www.sigsauer.com/CatalogProductList/pistols-1911-traditional-models.aspx

Not really an "issue", just don't care for the look. I did not realize they made traditional ones, thanks.

:wf: :D

:D

[Caleb]

The perfect illustration!

Exactly..

[DrHenley]

Not really an "issue", just don't care for the look. I did not realize they made traditional ones, thanks.
:D

Since both my Sigs are short barreled, the extra heft is welcome, especially on the Ultra Carry. I credit that hefty slide for the Ultra having better manageable recoil than your typical Officer/Defender length 1911.

[dwsmithjr]

I have to SIG 1911s, both are very early initial production GSRs, pre-Revolution, pre-1911. They have been flawless. They replaced an early GSR I sold at one point and later regretted selling because I just liked the gun. What follows is my completely personal and largely unrefined opinion. I am however a huge fan of SIG Sauer pistols along with Dan Wesson.

Why might they not get much attention?

1. SIG is know for their P-series. They have been in the 1911 business for only about 10 years unlike Springfield Armory, Kimber, Dan Wesson and others who have made almost exclusively 1911, or were first 1911 makers then branched out, like Springfield Armory.

2. Their initial 1911 offering does have a non-traditional slide profile which means holsters done really fit very well unless made for the gun. many people don't like the look. As a result SIG now makes a "Traditional" model, but only a couple of variations. They are committed to the SIG look. That is why the gun was designed that way, to have a SIG looking 1911. They said that outright.

3. The initial history was very, very rough. The GSRs were, for many a bit of a disappointment, they were fraught with problems and issues. SIG started changing parts and finally ended production for a time to get their act together. Matt Lerner, who was on the design team supposedly, left. When the gun came out in 2004 o5 2005 is was $1100 -$1300 street price. I bought my first one used not too long after from a disappointed initial buyer for $750.

4. Then came the Revolution in a non-railed version and a flood of guns which were, to the informed eye, clearly parts guns. They were cleaning out the parts bins. They started making all kinds of variations and there were reliability issues. There was little uniformity within models from one to another gun. I could recognize parts from the original SIG GSR in all these guns and that was just the external visible part, until the parts ran out. As much as I like SIG, I would not at that time recommend their 1911.

5. The Revolution and GSR are now a thing of the past. SIG has settled down with there SIG 1911 brand and are churning all all kinds of variations the differences between which are mostly just superficial. They have come to rest in the $800 to $1100 niche (street price). The guns are now solid, reliable and attractive. I would be prepared to recommend them now for a lower end but quality 1911.

I doubt SIG will ever really be known as a maker of 1911s or as a premiere 1911 manufacturer. Unless CZ who, admittedly bought their 1911 business, 1911 will, I expect always be a sideline for SIG; a jump on the bandwagon business.

Initially SIG officianodos hoped that SIG was going to bring it's considerable weight and experience to bear and design and make a premium 1911, not necessarily on the high custom end, but well into the premium semi-custom end. Rather than focus on high-quality and working gradually to improve and move up the food-chain, they have settled into the middle to lower-middle tier and focused on variation coming out with things like their Zombie edition and there Spartan edition and so on. For me it makes it difficult to take them too, too seriously. They just change finishes, grips, add garish banners and trendy models along with some slight changes in designs like squiggly cocking serrations different slide polishing schemes. They are all still, basically the same guns just dressed up differently.

Of course, they do some of the same with their P-series which came with a change in management. I believe it started with an influx of management formerly at Kimber. Perhaps it has helped SIG stay competitive. However, they do make quality guns and even the 1911s are more quality than they used to be.

I just don't think they will be taken as seriously as DW if they continue on this path.

[DrHenley]

They are committed to the SIG look. That is why the gun was designed that way, to have a SIG looking 1911. They said that outright.


Yeah, that makes sense now. I was at the range and a guy next to me was shooting a Sig P226. I held my Sig Ultra 1911 next to it and there was a striking similarly between the slides of the two guns.

I had wondered why they made the slide on my Sig 1911 like that, and now I understand. It is most definitely a "Sig Look."

The Ultra ran like a top right out of the box without any break-in period. And that was with some dirty shooting low powered handloads. The slide to frame fit is very tight BTW.

I tried every type of bullet in it, including some 255 grain Keith Style SWCs made for 45 Colt, and it ate them all without complaining. And I tried every kind of mag I had. (Checkmate hybrid, Chip McCormick, Wilson, USGI, etc) Then I loaded a bullet backwards and it fed fine too. So I decided to give the ULTIMATE feed test...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YR3pHVSic1A

If it will feed an empty case, it will feed ANYTHING!