Another new DW model ... ???

[RKP]

DW Silverback in .45 / 10mm

http://shop2.gzanders.com/pistols/cz-dw-silverback-10mm-5-9-shot-two-tone-bomar-sights.html (http://shop2.gzanders.com/pistols/cz-dw-silverback-10mm-5-9-shot-two-tone-bomar-sights.html)

http://www.lipseys.com/itemdetail.aspx?itemno=CZ01995

[DrHenley]

:pics:

http://www.cotep.org/forum/picture.php?albumid=22&pictureid=888

[RKP]

I know - I know ...... I'm looking in to it. :D

[RKP]

DW Silverback Prototype Photo:

http://i569.photobucket.com/albums/ss132/rkpayne/attachment-1.jpg (http://s569.photobucket.com/user/rkpayne/media/attachment-1.jpg.html)

This will feature a recessed slide stop hole with shortened slide stop post and Clark style rib on the slide, Tritium adjustable sights, Checkered front strap and Duty finish (http://www.unbeatablesale.com/hmrex7476.html) on the bottom half, VZ G10 grips (http://viglink.pgpartner.com/rd.php?r=16695&m=1481130291&q=n&rdgt=1414926369&it=1415358369&et=1415531169&priceret=62.99&pg=~~3&k=fe5b9102d9b631a396fd844ce9fcae1b&source=feed&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Ebrownells%2Ecom%2Fhandgun%2 Dparts%2Fgrip%2Dparts%2Fgrips%2Fvz%2Doperator%2Dii %2Dgrips%2Dblack%2Ddesert%2Dsand%2Dsku100011274%2D 55158%2D112613%2Easpx%3Fcm%5Fmmc%3Dcse%2D%5F%2DItw ine%2D%5F%2Dpricegrabber%2D%5F%2D1911%2520Operator %2520Ii%2520G10%2520Grips%26gdftrk%3DgdfV21820%5Fa %5F7c187%5Fa%5F7c828%5Fa%5F7c100011274%5Fd%5F10001 1274%5Fd%5F10573&st=feed&mt=~~~~~~~~n~~~), trigger, recessed slide stop, ball cuts on slide and carry bevel bushing. The 10mm magazine holds 9 rounds.

Keith

[Caleb]

2k? Ouch....

[milkmanjoe]

2k? Ouch....


A 2K price tag pre Shot Show???????

[dw1911]

http://cz-usa.com/product/dw-valor-45-acp-black-tactical-2-dot-tritium-sights-8-rd-mags/
MSRP $2012.00 So, the Silverback is priced accordingly, I think so.
http://cz-usa.com/hammer/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/cz-usa-dan-wesson-valor-black-duty-finish1-500x333.png

[RKP]

Should be to distributors and dealers around Feb.

[dwsmithjr]

http://cz-usa.com/product/dw-valor-45-acp-black-tactical-2-dot-tritium-sights-8-rd-mags/
MSRP $2012.00 So, the Silverback is priced accordingly, I think so.
http://cz-usa.com/hammer/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/cz-usa-dan-wesson-valor-black-duty-finish1-500x333.png

So, street price might also be comparable, around $1800, maybe a little less after a while. I wonder if it will be a regular offering or limited edition.

[Big gary]

I find this amusing. Everyone shocked at the price.
If that makes your butt hurt wait till you have to feed it ammo!!!!!

[dw1911]

You can buy a Valor for about $1800.00 street price. Give or take.
Now, the closest 1911 to it is a Wilson CQB Base Price $2865.00 without night sights!
http://wilsoncombat.com/new/handgun-cqb.asp#.VGFKLWfgtSM
Ed Brown, very close to a Valor :At least $2695
http://www.edbrown.com/pdf/2014-Handgun.pdf
Summary, I Think Dan Wesson Valors are a Great 1911 for the price!

[dwsmithjr]

I find this amusing. Everyone shocked at the price.
If that makes your butt hurt wait till you have to feed it ammo!!!!!

It's in keeping with the prices of the higher end DW 1911s. DW has offerings spread out from $1298 MSRP for the Heritage, up to $2023 or so for the Valor and Valkyrie. Then there are the really high end guns in the $3K to $4K.

DW is just putting out another higher end 1911. They are long past the early days and the sub $1K prices. They couldn't build the kind of guns they are building for much less I expect. They aren't the most expensive on the market either for production guns, look at STI.

I'm not that familiar with all of the Kimber and SA models, but DW seems to be pricing themselves between those companies and the semi-custom market. They seem to think there is a market for guns in that range for people who are not going to spend $3K+ for a 1911.

Granted Les Baer does make a "lower end" offering in the same range as the Valor. From what I understand from those who have both, the Valor is just as "quality" as the Les Baer. It's just that the Les Baer name has become legend.

[dw1911]

In many ways, Dan Wesson has better quality than Les Baer. In My Opinion based on the Baer I did have. Sold it pretty quick. Gladly! And my experience with Les himself. :mad:
I won't buy another.

[skosh69]

This is turning into one of those "my dad can beat up your dad" kinda threads. funny funny.

Since this a repeat thread, I will repeat my answer: "not paying 2k for a gun with a fugly trigger". The fact that it's a 10mm is the only thing in MY opinion that will make worth 2k, since there are limited options in the 10mm market.

I would definitely not pay 2k for the 45 version.

Les Baer would get my money if I were to spend that kind of money on another 1911.

REMEMBER, THIS IS ONLY MY OPINION!!!!

[RKP]

...... And my experience with Les himself. :mad: ......

Can't speak from personal experience but I've heard quite a bit of feedback of the same nature regarding him ....

[dw1911]

Can't speak from personal experience but I've heard quite a bit of feedback of the same nature regarding him ....

You have no idea! Les makes Great Guns, I will agree on that. But to imply that HIS Guns are PERFECT and could not need ANY warranty work at all even when a Very Experienced 1911 shooter tells Him the sights are way off, He treated Me like I was a Kid who never shot a Pistol. I told Him at the start of our "talk" that I own many 1911's and have shot them for many years. He expected Me to PAY to ship the Entire Gun to Him, and He said He would replace or fix the sights, but in His mind, I was the problem, not the sights!
6 inches high and 4 inches left POI. at 50 feet! I Sold the gun! Used the $ to buy another Dan Wesson. No regrets. Had right much money left after buying the Dan Wesson Valor.
My Local Gun Dealer told Me that Les called HIM a Stupid Son of a Bit*h.
This is why I won't buy another Baer. Not risking it.

[dwsmithjr]

This is turning into one of those "my dad can beat up your dad" kinda threads. funny funny.

Since this a repeat thread, I will repeat my answer: "not paying 2k for a gun with a fugly trigger". The fact that it's a 10mm is the only thing in MY opinion that will make worth 2k, since there are limited options in the 10mm market.

I would definitely not pay 2k for the 45 version.

Les Baer would get my money if I were to spend that kind of money on another 1911.

REMEMBER, THIS IS ONLY MY OPINION!!!!

....and that's great!

1. The gun won't sell for $2K, it'll be less, more like $1800 probably, especially after the initial offering. People keep saying, I wouldn't pay $2K for that gun.... you won't have to if you decide to buy one.
2. Triggers can be replaced if you dislike it that much. That seems like a very small issue given the whole firearm if it's real quality. I personally don't mind the trigger. I've seen some I like better. Actually I don't like the solid trigger much at all, but that's me.
3. While there may be some gray areas, surely the overal fit and finish, as well as accuracy of a given model is a matter of objective evaluation. I'm not competent to make that evaluation, but some people are. I'd love to hear from them regarding Les Baer GUNS and Dan Wesson GUNS. I've read here among those who dig into the internals often and shoot for accuracy that DW and Les Baer compare well. Personally ANY maker can gain a standing that can continue far beyond it being deserved or warranted. Whether that is the case with Les Baer GUNS or not, I can't say. However, some people treat them as though they are the Holy Grail of 1911s and surely that is not the case.

...and that is my opinion. I've never owned or shot a Les Baer, Wilson Combat, Nighthawk Custom or any other 1911 that cost more than $1200 to $1400. In fact, I've never shot ANY firearm that cost more than $1300 street price, so, I can't say. Some people claim that all you have to do is shoot a Les Baer 1911 and you will know immediately the difference and never, ever be satisfied with anything less again. Perhaps that is true. As for me, I'm satisfied with my Dan Wessons.

However, I do know enough about psychology and some neuroscience to know that people are not always objective, they have biases of which they are not at all aware which radically affect their subjective experience one of which is that you often experience what you expect to experience which is the reason for double blind tests. It's also the reason why objective evaluations should be carried out objectively.

I also know that people think they can perceive far more granular levels of distinction than they are really capable of doing. That is part of the human condition. We are VERY adapt at fooling ourselves and not even knowing it. It goes for all of our senses and the mind as well.