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08-10-2015, 07:28 PM
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The world is ending
"Winchester 231 certainly has been hard to get. The plant that makes Winchester powders does not want to make 231 as well as a few other powders. These older technology powders have different chemistry than the new powders and this older chemistry makes it much slower to make powder: basically, you can make about 2.5 times as many pounds of new chemistry powder in the time it takes to make 1 pound of old chemistry powder. During the process of making the old powders, the waste stream created is huge compared to the waste stream of the new chemistry powders. Chemical waste is very expensive to get rid of. So, the plant wants to phase out the old chemistry powders and replace them with new chemistry powders. While they are still making 231, the amount is being reduced and the amount of new powder such as Titegroup and Longshot is being increased.
Now, we are kind of stuck in the middle. The market is demanding 231 but the maker is not wanting to produce the powder. The result is, over time, 231 is going to go away. Shooters should begin using other powders as they can. Mike Daly Hodgdon Family of Fine Propellants Hodgdon  less PowderIMR Powder Company Winchester less PropellantsGOEX Blackpowder"
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#2
08-10-2015, 07:49 PM
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sure, kill the golden goose. that's smart.
 if it's harder/more expensive to make 231 then just raise the price on it to even things out.
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08-10-2015, 08:23 PM
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Wow. Real bummer!
I guess I'm glad to still have a couple of 8 pounders of w231 on hand! But I can't find TightGroup either! 
Last edited by Dwe; 08-10-2015 at 08:25 PM.
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08-10-2015, 08:59 PM
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WTF...I have about 8 lbs so i guess that is all I am getting. They did just raise the price of 231 too....damn!
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08-10-2015, 09:25 PM
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Guess I got out of reloading at the right time.
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#8
08-11-2015, 10:39 AM
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Are there any other old chemistry powders in the cross hairs? what is the new chemistry equivalent or replacement?
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08-15-2015, 09:59 PM
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Quote:
Just ordered 10 lbs of TightGroup from cabelas. I should be good for a bit! 
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08-17-2015, 09:57 PM
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this topic is going around on several other forums and it looks like it might be a fake.
one member of the single action forum said he talked with Chris Hodgdon on the phone and he assured him that there was no intentions of them dropping W231 from their lineup. I also read another post were a guy got a return email from someone at hodgdon saying that they weren't dropping it from their powders. time will tell for sure but it looks like they'll still be making it.
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