HD shooting for "taking as shower?" Shooter Arested

FfNJGTFO · #1 04-04-2017, 02:45 PM

Fox News: Washington St. Resident Arrested after shooting an intruder that was "taking a shower" in shooter's home...

It would seem that the crux will be surrounding the Washington state "Castle Doctrine" laws, assuming there are any. Some are arguing on other FL 2A forums that if this had happened in FL, the "presumption" of "fear of life/great bodily harm" exists, per FL's Castle doctrine statute, and would justify the use of deadly force in this case, even though the shooter left the house, came back with a gun and then shot the intruder without contacting the police. Others argue that the FL castle doctrine does not extend that far, and that the defendant would be very hard pressed to justify said actions to a FL jury, as it seems this gentleman will have with a Washington Jury.

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sdmc530 · #2 04-04-2017, 03:15 PM

Well I am all about protecting your home and family BUT as soon as he fled and returned without calling any LEO then shot and killed the guy, sorry that is no longer protection. I would say this guy is hosed I hope he enjoys jail, he certainly deserves it. What an idiot! Gives gun owners and proper gun users a black eye here.

FfNJGTFO · #3 04-04-2017, 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by sdmc530

Well I am all about protecting your home and family BUT as soon as he fled and returned without calling any LEO then shot and killed the guy, sorry that is no longer protection. I would say this guy is hosed I hope he enjoys jail, he certainly deserves it. What an idiot! Gives gun owners and proper gun users a black eye here.

Agreed. And I don't think even FL castle doctrine would protect him here, either, for the same reasons. Once he left and then returned armed, he became the aggressor.

Riverpigusmc · #4 04-04-2017, 03:31 PM

Dumbass shoulda used a grenade

Gatorade · #5 04-04-2017, 03:58 PM

Well first I wouldn't have gone to check on the other house without my gun in the first place. If I had seen that someone was in one of my properties and I was going to confront them I would want to get my gun if I had left it at my home. On the way to getting it I would have called the cops, then, depending on how long I perceived the response time would be and if too long I may try to confront. I think that is justified up to that point. Now putting 4 shots through the shower curtain without verifying the person on the other side is a threat is where this guy went wrong. All that being said there is some definite spin going on in that article. Sounds like the "compassionate educator" employed by the local elementary school has some screws loose, possibly a perv who gets off breaking into people homes and using their showers and who knows what else. Maybe he didn't deserve to die but at least he isn't around kids anymore.

sdmc530 · #6 04-04-2017, 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Gatorade

On the way to getting it I would have called the cops, then, depending on how long I perceived the response time would be and if too long I may try to confront. I think that is justified up to that point.

Now don't take this as starting anything because I RESPECT everyone's opinion here but I think you are still in the wrong here. After you call the cops and there is no initial threat I don't think you have any basis to to go back and confront the guy. I think you stand back and watch. Now all this assuming no family is in the house and you have no current actual threat to your own life. I think going back to confront is a really bad idea that just opens yourself up to issues legally and to your health.

In this case he was in the shower and maybe drunk so unless he starts after you I am not sure how dangerous he is AND neither do you going back in. I would have called on duty LEO and watched and observed from a safe but reasonable distance to protect my home. Going back in is the issue here, you are out, your family is out and the guy is in your bathroom. Nothing good can come from re-entering the house without the police.

Lawyers will eat this up I am sure.

I am going to ask one of our prosecuting attorneys and see what he says. We have the same type law here to protect your "castle".

DrHenley · #7 04-04-2017, 04:21 PM

Yeah, the "compassionate educator" baloney raised red flags for me too.

And you know that with self defense cases, the media never gets the story right initially.

We had one here in which the lawyer for the shooter worked in the same office building as I did. He told me that what happened wasn't at all what was being reported. The media had the guy painted as a heartless monster that chased down an unarmed boy and gunned him down in cold blood while the boy was begging for his life.

When the facts came out...CASE DISMISSED

pony up · #8 04-04-2017, 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by sdmc530

Now don't take this as starting anything because I RESPECT everyone's opinion here but I think you are still in the wrong here. After you call the cops and there is no initial threat I don't think you have any basis to to go back and confront the guy. I think you stand back and watch. Now all this assuming no family is in the house and you have no current actual threat to your own life. I think going back to confront is a really bad idea that just opens yourself up to issues legally and to your health.

In this case he was in the shower and maybe drunk so unless he starts after you I am not sure how dangerous he is AND neither do you going back in. I would have called on duty LEO and watched and observed from a safe but reasonable distance to protect my home. Going back in is the issue here, you are out, your family is out and the guy is in your bathroom. Nothing good can come from re-entering the house without the police.

Lawyers will eat this up I am sure.

I am going to ask one of our prosecuting attorneys and see what he says. We have the same type law here to protect your "castle".

This dumb bastage has earned through stupidity a long unhappy time. He might have been better off if he had shot himself instead. The drunk a hole behind the shower curtain may have even thought he was in his own home? As I recall from my shower education featuring Janet Leigh in the movie Psycho, never take a shower. Perhaps this nit whit shooter might be related to

Perkins? Oooppppsss Ton y Perkins. Sorry

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sdmc530 · #9 04-04-2017, 05:46 PM

Agree....media gets it all messed up, we don't even know all the details yet but here we are playing judge.

Xbonz · #10 04-04-2017, 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by sdmc530

Now don't take this as starting anything because I RESPECT everyone's opinion here but I think you are still in the wrong here. After you call the cops and there is no initial threat I don't think you have any basis to to go back and confront the guy. I think you stand back and watch. Now all this assuming no family is in the house and you have no current actual threat to your own life. I think going back to confront is a really bad idea that just opens yourself up to issues legally and to your health.

In this case he was in the shower and maybe drunk so unless he starts after you I am not sure how dangerous he is AND neither do you going back in. I would have called on duty LEO and watched and observed from a safe but reasonable distance to protect my home. Going back in is the issue here, you are out, your family is out and the guy is in your bathroom. Nothing good can come from re-entering the house without the police.

Lawyers will eat this up I am sure.

I am going to ask one of our prosecuting attorneys and see what he says. We have the same type law here to protect your "castle".

Based on details provided I am in agreement with you.. Left the house so no threat exists.. Call popo and wait..
Now we wait until further details emerge