DHS Targets Disturbing

[milkmanjoe]

Seems the DHS uses some odd targets for their practice.

http://c.washingtontimes.com/neighborhood/high-tide-and-turn/2013/feb/28/dhs-training-practice-targets-featuring-children-p/

[Snipersnest]

If you notice, each target has a subject pointing a gun at you. We had similar targets when when we trained our officers. It included women and others, but no children. An officer has mili-seconds to make a life or death decision, ergo the reason for those types of targets. An officers first duty is to go home after his shift, he is not required to be a punching bag or bullet catcher for anyone. Just sayin'.

[milkmanjoe]

If you notice, each target has a subject pointing a gun at you. We had similar targets when when we trained our officers. It included women and others, but no children. An officer has mili-seconds to make a life or death decision, ergo the reason for those types of targets. An officers first duty is to go home after his shift, he is not required to be a punching bag or bullet catcher for anyone. Just sayin'.

I understand that part, many friends who were military, now current or retired LEO. I see the LEO in a different light than DHS, different training protocol. Not being an expert by any means, in my thoughts they would train a higher percentage of what they might encounter. A local LEO, with domestic disputes, probably has a higher probability of engaging a woman with a gun than a DHS agent. But, as you said, no children were in your target lineup, so I can only guess the concerns are changing, and the training with it.

[Sheepdog]

Dhs = ss

[TLE2]

I agree with Snipersnest. While these maybe offensive, they are holding "what appears to be a weapon". However, I would add a child holding a toy gun with red barrel cap to the mix.

[milkmanjoe]

I agree with Snipersnest. While these maybe offensive, they are holding "what appears to be a weapon". However, I would add a child holding a toy gun with red barrel cap to the mix.

Good add to the mix! But, an LEO cannot take that chance. I get it. A weapon pointed at said LEO must be treated as a real weapon. However, the LEO does have body armor and should be trained to move "off the X" and identify whatever is visible. And I will openly admit, that in a scared as hell moment I could not make myself do all that in a millisecond, and I cannot expect it from anyone else.

[BlackKnight]

A few years ago my partner and I were responding to a man with a gun call. As we get to the scene we see a male brandishing what appeared to be an MP5.
We jump out the vehicle pointing our handguns yelling for him to drop it. Fortunately he did and never turned or pointed the weapon towards us.
Come to find out it was an airsoft where he or someone painted over the orange tip. Also he was 16 years of at the time. He found it funny that we thought it was real. I was so hyped up. We both came very close to shooting that kid. I took the weapon and with a swift kick gave the kid a stern talking too.
It took hours before our heartbeat settled into being somewhat normal. I still think about how close came to shooting that kid.
Now mind you that kid was no innocent. A week later he actually did shoot someone with a real gun.
Thought so. I knew I had picture. He're a picture of the gun. Tell me in a split second decision this kid could have been shot.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v338/aburena/DSC00354.jpg

[Riverpigusmc]

I'da shot him just for being a Richard Cranium

[TLE2]

I understand that you can't hesitate. Someone might paint the end of their Ak-47 red. I don't fault the responders when someone points "what might be a weapon" at them. You do what you have to do.

[BlackKnight]

I understand that you can't hesitate. Someone might paint the end of their Ak-47 red. I don't fault the responders when someone points "what might be a weapon" at them. You do what you have to do.
And we've had similar issues like that as well. A sister county were seizing handguns that were painted in neon colors to make them look like toys. Thankfully, that hasn't really caught on, yet.

[Carl in GA]

A few years ago my partner and I were responding to a man with a gun call. As we get to the scene we see a male brandishing what appeared to be an MP5.
We jump out the vehicle pointing our handguns yelling for him to drop it. Fortunately he did and never turned or pointed the weapon towards us.
Come to find out it was an airsoft where he or someone painted over the orange tip. Also he was 16 years of at the time. He found it funny that we thought it was real. I was so hyped up. We both came very close to shooting that kid. I took the weapon and with a swift kick gave the kid a stern talking too.
It took hours before our heartbeat settled into being somewhat normal. I still think about how close came to shooting that kid.
Now mind you that kid was no innocent. A week later he actually did shoot someone with a real gun.
Thought so. I knew I had picture. He're a picture of the gun. Tell me in a split second decision this kid could have been shot.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v338/aburena/DSC00354.jpg

I'm not a LEO, but if he pointed that at me he'd gain some nifty new thoracic ventilation holes.

[milkmanjoe]

I'm not a LEO, but if he pointed that at me he'd gain some nifty new thoracic ventilation holes.

Same here.......


But where are the pictures of terrorists, of dred wearing gangstas?

[Roverron]

Same here.......


But where are the pictures of terrorists, of dred wearing gangstas?

Yep. Same here. And why I'm ALWAYS carrying. Stupid people playing stupid games

These are a couple of my real guns check the top sbr to the airgun
http://i1175.photobucket.com/albums/r631/roverron6/Snapbucket/294A4E78.jpg (http://s1175.photobucket.com/user/roverron6/media/Snapbucket/294A4E78.jpg.html)http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v338/aburena/DSC00354.jpg

Hard to distinguish isn't it? Both have stocks that are very close!
Tony, that had to be a hell of a call on your part!

[BlackKnight]

But where are the pictures of terrorists, of dred wearing gangstas?
And that's gets to the point of my post. We have and use them. We use a realistic target of of a man pointing a gun back at you for the qualifications. Within it is the same qualification area that is required for this state to count the hit and misses. To that end I conduct practicals and utilize different types of shoot and no shoot targets. I've even used zombie targets.


Tony, that had to be a hell of a call on your part!
Yeah, fortunately, it worked out. I hate to think the B.S. I would have to go through if it went the other way.

[milkmanjoe]

And that's gets to the point of my post. We have and use them. We use a realistic target of of a man pointing a gun back at you for the qualifications. Within it is the same qualification area that is required for this state to count the hit and misses. To that end I conduct practicals and utilize different types of shoot and no shoot targets. I've even used zombie targets.


Yeah, fortunately, it worked out. I hate to think the B.S. I would have to go through if it went the other way.

I get it...so bad people are painting real guns to look like toys, and real toys look like real guns. I'm not being sarcastic, I get it.
I don't think I could have made the call you did, and not shoot. I sincerely applaud you for that.