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Big Smoke 04-13-2012 12:41 PM

Didn't he decide when his terms were up, that he going to stay as mayor because, "in this time of crisis, the city needs me" or something to that effect? I forget the exact circumstance, but he definitely has an extremely high opinion of himself. Maybe he's Obama's white brother.

Roverron 04-13-2012 01:03 PM

I surely don't see how he gets a fair trial, at least not there in Florida. I'm not saying he's innocent or guilty but he is entitled to a fair trial. Here, SYG law is working! The police can't be everywhere so it's up to us to protect our families. Lane, +10 on what you said. . . It Is Time to vote ALL the idiots out. Term Limits still comes to mind as the best way to handle this issue, unfortunately, the only way that will occur is if initiative petitions were done from every state!

Big Smoke 04-13-2012 01:16 PM

I don't even see how the SYG law applies in the Zimmerman case. He was attacked, having his head bashed into the concrete repeatedly, and drew his gun in self-defense. Had he not done so, we may be talking about Trayvon Martin's murder trial.
As I understand it, the SYG law just means you don't have to retreat and run from the perpetrator. Zimmerman didn't have a chance to run or retreat.

Riverpigusmc 04-13-2012 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Big Smoke (Post 22141)
I don't even see how the SYG law applies in the Zimmerman case. He was attacked, having his head bashed into the concrete repeatedly, and drew his gun in self-defense. Had he not done so, we may be talking about Trayvon Martin's murder trial.
As I understand it, the SYG law just means you don't have to retreat and run from the perpetrator. Zimmerman didn't have a chance to run or retreat.

^this. Stand your ground does not apply. Self defense does.

capt7d103 04-13-2012 10:12 PM

This case is a blatant example of the media wanting a bigger fire story to cover. I believe this was not presented to a grand jury because the special prosecutor knew dang well it would have been No Billed, settting off civil unrest nation wide. I'm sorry this young man lost his life. We may never know the whole truth in this case. Zimmerman never should have left his truck, IMHO. I still want to see the alchemy involved in turning a person of Mezito Indian ancestry into a person of European ancestry. Here in my area, no way on God's green earth is this a hate crime as the media would have you believe. This is the exact reason that I refused to ever speak to the media when I was in a position to do so. I hope anyone damaged in anyway, including George Zimmerman, sues the pants off all of them for the blatant lies and distortions. I find it comical that Martin's mother was on the Today Show saying it may have been an accident only to recant that a short time later on MSLSD into he murdered my boy. What???? :rolleyes:

Big Smoke 04-13-2012 10:46 PM

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Originally Posted by capt7d103 (Post 22213)
This case is a blatant example of the media wanting a bigger fire story to cover. I believe this was not presented to a grand jury because the special prosecutor knew dang well it would have been No Billed, settting off civil unrest nation wide. I'm sorry this young man lost his life. We may never know the whole truth in this case. Zimmerman never should have left his truck, IMHO. I still want to see the alchemy involved in turning a person of Mezito Indian ancestry into a person of European ancestry. Here in my area, no way on God's green earth is this a hate crime as the media would have you believe. This is the exact reason that I refused to ever speak to the media when I was in a position to do so. I hope anyone damaged in anyway, including George Zimmerman, sues the pants off all of them for the blatant lies and distortions. I find it comical that Martin's mother was on the Today Show saying it may have been an accident only to recant that a short time later on MSLSD into he murdered my boy. What???? :rolleyes:

You can pretty much bet that MSLSD goaded her into calling it murder. Got her all worked up into believing it and saying it on TV. I won't give MSLSD any of my time. I slipped a few nights ago and turned on the Special Ed show. What a mistake that was. I saw almost 2 minutes of it, and couldn't stand it anymore. I won't slip again, I can tell you that.

I agree with you about the Grand Jury. But I also believe she believes he is innocent, and overcharged him on purpose. 2nd degree murder is going to be nearly impossible to prove. Especially with a bashed nose, bashed back of the head, and grass stains on the back of his clothes. They are going to have to prove that he went after him, and attacked him. Since the incident happened next to Zimmerman's truck, it stand to reason he was going back to his truck to leave when he, himself, was attacked.

capt7d103 04-14-2012 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Big Smoke (Post 22220)
I agree with you about the Grand Jury. But I also believe she believes he is innocent, and overcharged him on purpose. 2nd degree murder is going to be nearly impossible to prove. Especially with a bashed nose, bashed back of the head, and grass stains on the back of his clothes. They are going to have to prove that he went after him, and attacked him. Since the incident happened next to Zimmerman's truck, it stand to reason he was going back to his truck to leave when he, himself, was attacked.

I was thinking the exact same thing, Murder 2nd, as written, does not fit. The way laws are different in the various states still amazes me. It would have already been before a Grand Jury here and they decide the ultimate charge(s).

I heard yesterday that a change in venue will result in a 6-12 month delay in the trial, how convenient for the politicos. Makes it look even more like federal meddling for a reason other than justice. It will help having time for things to settle down I believe was the phrase used. Right... :rolleyes:

This whole disaster should not have happened. It goes with what I used to teach the Members in class, once you break the primer there is NO taking it back and your life will be irrevocably changed from that split second forward. It is so true that you make this decision in milliseconds and the courts have years to examine it. Had Zimmerman never left his truck, this whole nightmare never happened and the 2nd Amend would not be being called into the lime light in such an injurious manner. This really does not help us, especially here in the PRNY. Mayor Mikey needs to limit his communist ideology to his own fifedom. Leave the rest of the state and country alone.


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