Unless things have changed and I don't know what the Border Patrol guys limitations are, but a police officer can detain a person and ask whither he is going (thresehold inquiry). He also can ask for an ID. By that kid refusing to answer questions, it gives a police officer resonable suspicion that a crime has, is, or is about to be committed.

Herb that was true for me when i was in oregon. you could ask for id for verificatio. of who you are, lying about whk you are or your acitities gives resonable suspicion to look for probible cause of a crime or on about to be commited.

in the second case the vid was taken at a border crossing where those questions are entirely valid. the dissention in answering them is such an abnormal response that in itself you have reasonable suspiscion . remember it was reasonable suspiscion that lead the border officer to ask abiut why the guy was sweating in the mellenium bomber plot in blaine washington

I agree Herb.

If I was one of those Officers I would have been real suspicious of him due to his actions.

Just answer the questions and be on your way. I guess I am old school in that I was taught to respect those in authority.

damn fat thumbs

I dunno but I think the kid in the first vid is right on his facts but wrong on his application. I can't figure out why anybody would open carry; just asking for trouble, in my opinion, from the cops or worse, bad guys wanting to take you out first. I didn't watch the second vid. .02c

The 2nd Video has good examples of resisting Tyranny from the "Police State" type stops. The 4th Amendment is clear on these things.
I know they easily could have "Complied" and went on their way, but we have to start standing up for our Rights!

as far as i know the second one was at the us canada bordr crossing. that is how i first saw the vid decribed. are you teling me our lawenforcement has no obligation to discern who pepole are when they enter the us?

it is not a good examplenof anything other than jeuvinile behavior.

IF it is the Canadian, or Mexican Border, I agree, but if it is just a random checkpoint somewhere INSIDE the US, I disagree.
I do however state, that We, Te Law Abiding Citizens have GOT TO start Exersising our Constitutional Rights.
Like muscles, if you don't exersise them, you lose them!

I've been stopped at border checks in Maine. Uusally some miles from the actual border. I believe in rights too, but I don't believe the borders should be so pourous as to allow illegal aliens to just pop over and start sucking off the teat of us Americans, or maybe to commit some act of terror. I have no problem with being asked if I'm a U.S. citizen and if asked, in spite of who we have in the White House, I would proudly admit that I am. They have road blocks to check for drunk drivers too, all for public safety. So there!:p