Exactly why milling an 80% lower is on my list! Crafting something from parts and knowing the inner workings is something I enjoy.

Those B.A.D lower/uppers are sick! They have been on my wish list for a while now.

Blackknight

Way out my financial means but very nice stuff there . I'm only going to be a little over $550.00 when done , not counting on some upgrades as I go .

Have fun it's going be a killer looking rig when it is done .

I wouldn't mind doing that except according to ATF that rifle dies with the owner. It cannot be sold or left to family.
I consider all my weapons assets. If I die first, my wife will sell them at current market value and use that money as she wishes. Same if I leave them to my children.

Very excited PSA has shipped my stuff .

So stupid question . I have never put a rifle together from separate parts by different " Makers " Is there anything I need to do or check prior to shooting it ? I know about the safety checks but past that I m not sure .

Thanks ,

Arley

Actually you can sell it. As long as the original intent was to make it for yourself. Down the line you can sell it but you may need to engrave a serial number on it. I am not sure if things are different in NJ but according to federal guidelines it can be made transferable.

The only thing you need to do is make sure the upper and lower fit well together. If they are loose there are plastic or rubber inserts you can use to tighten up the it between them. Mil spec insures that most parts are mix and match with little to no custom fitting.

That's not how I understood it. It's a federal thing not state.
I got it directly from an ATF agent I worked with for a number of years. According to him if you make and serialize it you in essence became a firearms manufacturer, thus need a federal license as well as to sell it.
Like I said I'd love to do one, though. I just don't want to take that chance. Even if I die and left it to my family I don't want to leave them with that headache.

If you intend to make the. For sale then yes he is correct. However if you only intend to make them for yourself but later down the road need to transfer it then you can serialized it. It is the difference between it being a for profit business and a once or twice in a lifetime transfer. I will see if I can get the specific info just for research sake.

Just got off the phone with ATF DC Branch. Under Federal guidelines you can MAKE a firearm from an 80% lower and transfer it without any markings to any person legally able to own a firearm as long as they are a resident of the same state or if it is left in a will to someone out of state. It does not need a serial number. Florida law allows private transfer between individuals without any paperwork as long as both individuals are legally able to possess that particular firearm. I asked specifically if I completed an 80% (unfinished, is the ATF term) lower receiver and I were to pass away would my family be able to sell it if they wanted to. Yes. So long as it is a legal sale as noted above.

When you complete a lower into a firearm you become a MAKER. You can make as many as you want. There is no limit that you hit and become a MANUFACTURER. A manufacturer manufacturers firearms as a business and is required to serialize product. You or I would be considered MAKERS, not MANUFACTURERS.

Now what your ATF agent may have meant was that under NJ law the transfer of a firearm may have different legalities. If you need to do a background check on private or family sales then you may also need a serial number. You can engrave any serial number you would like as long as it is not already used.

So if you were in FL and wanted to serialize your finished 80% lower as SN#BlackKnight then so be it. If you sell your finished lower to an individual you would probably want to serialize it and transfer it like a regular firearm. However in my case I want to make one to pass down. Yes they can still sell it but I hope it would mean enough to my family to keep it in the family.

Got my upper and stuff today. Very nice fit and finish to DPMS lower . The "Boron " finish on the bolt is slippery as heck .
Now I need to get that ugly front sight / gas block off . It is riveted on :eek: Guess I'll drill the rivets out and I hope it will slip off with out scuffing up the SS barrel .
I'll get some pics out in the next day or so .

I would rethink that if it is a CQB/HD weapon which is what mine is. BUIS are a must for that

Are you sure the FSB is riveted in place? I've got two PSA uppers with standard FSB/gas blocks, and they've got the correct pins.

I'll be removing one of the FSBs this week.

Here's a bit of info from someone that knows a thing or two on the subject.

http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_2_138/1...aper_Pins.html

On closer inspection they are pins , Thanks .

Those are taper pins. Thicker on one end thinner on the other so they only go in and out from one side. Make sure you know which side to remove them from. Then you will need to replace it with another gas block as well.

Had another gas block and got it on .Pins came out pretty easy . Also have fold down sights so put the front one on and trial fit a scope " Mueller AVP 4-14 x 40 . Pretty decent glass . Also have a 3 x 9 x 50 off brand . So on it goes . I will need to stop for now till nxt . months Eagle droppings . Then some JP trigger springs a couple mags and some brass . The RCBS dies are coming and Dillon cal. conversion about broke the banker ( Wife ) .:)

Just remember 5.56 is usually crimped primer so you need to ream the primer pocket before priming. .223 is usually easier but not as common on the range.

Ya I stay away from 5.56 brass . Just don't like the hassle . Many times I have had people give me their once fired brass at the range but only .223 do I take .

Thanks for the reminder though .

Arley

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This is it so far .

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/g...ps568g6wmo.jpg

It looks like you're making good progress.

Is the flash hider timed properly?

Doesn't look like it.



Looking good so far! Nice rifle Sir but, check the timing on that flash hider.

No I took it off to put my own gas block on, plus a Muzzle break will replace it . Nothing is really ready to shoot . Everything is finger tight for now (Mocked Up ).

Still need some brass for reloading plus the handguards will be gone next month, for either a " Key mod " or M lok 12 inch or 15 inch Not sure yet .

That's cool. Thought maybe it was something along those lines.

I've been very happy with BCM's 13" KMR KeyMod handguard system. I just installed another one onto a PSA Premium upper last night. I'll need another FF handguard system for an upcoming 6.5mm upper build, but so far haven't found a highly regarded unit that's less expensive.

Some are way out of my pay scale for sure . I may end up with a China made one . Wait did I just type that . Please I'm a nice Guy just not rich .

Arley

OK BMC who ? can't keep track of all the manufactures .

I have this quad rail on one of mine right now but am going to switch to a FDE keymod. If you are interested in it let me know.

https://www.midwayusa.com/product/11...aluminum-matte

Thanks for the offer but just ready to commit to anything yet . What will be is FDE when I'm ready .

BCM is short for Bravo Company Manufacturing. Does that ring a bell?

If it doesn't, then you've got some research to do.

Sorry I forgot that . Sorry I asked too now . I remembered soon after I posted the question . But it seemed like hassle to go back and erase it . Could have taken 2 minutes and I am way to busy to be concerned by it . Till now anyway .

Thanks anyway for your reply to my question and my brain fart that is now not so gasious .

My research will now include searching the " Information Highway " for initials that ICRS Syndrome or EOSD .

As long as you know about Bravo Company, then all is good. I'll forgive you for not associating Bravo Company with BCM. :)

Grizz, when I google "BCM" I get "Bravo Company USA." When I Google "Bravo Company" I get "Bravo Company USA." Same web site.

What's the big secret?

http://www.cotep.org/forum/picture.p...pictureid=1046

I think the Bravo Company Manufacturing "subsidiary" is dedicated to the manufacture/selling of complete rifles. https://shop.bravocompanymfg.com/default.asp

The Bravo Company USA segment of the company seems to be geared towards the manufacture/selling of components....though all Bravo Company components are named BCM, not BCU/BCUSA. It's likely that both complete rifles/lower assemblies are made on machines sitting next to machines making handguards, receiver extensions, etc.

It's common for the company to be called Bravo Company, but I never see it shortened to BC.

Now for a new question. ..I want an AR 10 in .308. How complicated is that gonna be?

There are more 308 offerings now than ever before.

Are you considering assembling one (or half of one), or buying it complete?

dunno. I imagine it takes a different lower than the 5.56

308 offerings are better but not ubiquitous. I've been wanting a 308 AR for a while.

Both the lower and uppers are larger than the 5.56 units. The LMT MWS is a nice rifle, but it's heavy weight and $3000 price tag will likely eliminate it from consideration.

Armalite's previous magazines eliminated it from my consideration, but they now seem to use PMAGs. They are likely at the more affordable end of the complete rifle spectrum.

Two other somewhat reasonably priced rifle manufacturers are Fulton Armory and DPMS. I have no experience with Fulton, but know they follow the DPMS pattern. I've owned my DPMS LR-308C (heavily modded) for 8 years, and it's been very reliable and accurate. I assembled the lower, and any parts that were proprietary, like the pivot pins, were easily purchased from DPMS. I bought the upper as a complete assembly.

If I were to get another, I'd likely assemble one from scratch using Mega MATEN stripped receivers.

3 grand?? That's what I paid for my Wilson. I'll just stick to the bolt rifle for hogs

Even an "inexpensive" 308 AR pattern rifle will run damn close to 2 grand.

A 6.5 Grendel or 6.8 SPC upper on a standard AR lower will work well on hogs.

Here's my 6.8.

http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e3...PICT0064-1.jpg

I plan to replace this barrel with a 6.5mm something or another and screw the 6.8 into an Aero upper I bought a few weeks ago.