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Hoss in IL 02-10-2012 11:53 AM

A father's lesson in tough love
 
FOR THE WIN!!!!! Enjoy. Warning: some profanity ( BS, sh*T, a55 )

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kl1ujzRidmU

Mike45 02-10-2012 12:52 PM

I LOVE IT. nannernannernannernanner


:pc::pc::pc::party::party:

AutoMag 02-10-2012 01:19 PM

Fantastic, more kids nowadays need to see this one!!!!:D:D

Snipersnest 02-10-2012 01:41 PM

Now Hannah is gonna go to the Child Welfare Department and file a complaint of child abuse and her Dad will be brought up on charges, and be made to buy her a new computer! He will have to report to the Probation Department on a weekly basis with a report from his daughter stating that she wasn't abused that week. :D And Justice For All!!!

herefordman1 02-10-2012 02:19 PM

A little extreme, don't you think?

Jim

jmlutz 02-10-2012 03:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AutoMag (Post 14732)
Fantastic, more kids nowadays need to see this one!!!!:D:D

I totally agree John:) Mike

douglas_knott 02-10-2012 03:46 PM

That was good.

Snipersnest 02-10-2012 05:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by herefordman1 (Post 14741)
A little extreme, don't you think?

Jim

Absolutely..........all he needed was a couple of shots, no need to empty the gun! :D

DaFadda 02-10-2012 05:31 PM

Love it!!
DaFadda

NAMVET72 02-10-2012 05:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaFadda (Post 14755)
Love it!!
DaFadda

+10

Clyde

Feathermerchant 02-10-2012 06:01 PM

Dad Vented. He feels better - for now. Daughter is PO'd beyond description and will remain so for years over this incident. I see a long history of lack of serious communication between them and escalating hurtful events toward each other for several years to come. There is pent up anger over other things we do not know, and that anger has found a release that is not going to be a solution. Both father and daughter are acting the same way. He needs to be the adult; not the child. I feel sorry for this family.

Sheepdog 02-10-2012 06:22 PM

Very well said Mary!

oldrifleman 02-10-2012 06:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Feathermerchant (Post 14762)
Dad Vented. He feels better - for now. Daughter is PO'd beyond description and will remain so for years over this incident. I see a long history of lack of serious communication between them and escalating hurtful events toward each other for several years to come. There is pent up anger over other things we do not know, and that anger has found a release that is not going to be a solution. Both father and daughter are acting the same way. He needs to be the adult; not the child. I feel sorry for this family.

I agree with you, I thought it was Funny, but you are right about the long term effects of this and they probably will not be pleasant. Also I see a new laptop in the home in about a month. Steven

Riverpigusmc 02-10-2012 07:25 PM

I've wanted to do the same thing to this computer more than once..and I still may

dw1911 02-10-2012 07:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NAMVET72 (Post 14758)
+10

Clyde

+10 more! "Tough Love"! This country needs more parents to practice it!
Seriously! If I said ANY of those things to my Mother, God Help Me!
She was a small woman, but She told me more than once, "I Brought you into this world, I can take you out!" scold She was Tough!
I thank God that She was!
The World is a Tough Place, today's kid's need to learn THAT from their parents! The Father basically paid for Her Laptop, and even worked on it for Her, and She disrespects Her Parents on the World Wide Web!
I agree with what He did!

oldrifleman 02-10-2012 08:26 PM

Agreed, my dad would have knocked me into the next county if I said any of that but we also have to understand that kids can get into more trouble now than they could in our day and also that the laptop is pretty much a required item in most high schools today. So unless he wants her to flunk out he will get a new laptop. Also remember that he has not cut her off from FB, just from doing it from her laptop, her friends all have laptops and she will fire the next volley in the war from a distance which he can not control! Steven

dw1911 02-10-2012 08:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by oldrifleman (Post 14793)
Agreed, my dad would have knocked me into the next county if I said any of that but we also have to understand that kids can get into more trouble now than they could in our day and also that the laptop is pretty much a required item in most high schools today. So unless he wants her to flunk out he will get a new laptop. Also remember that he has not cut her off from FB, just from doing it from her laptop, her friends all have laptops and she will fire the next volley in the war from a distance which he can not control! Steven

True! But I'm betting She'll think about saying things like She did on Facebook from now on!

Feathermerchant 02-10-2012 09:19 PM

And the father's actions may come back to bite him after this has gone viral. It does NOTHING to promote a positive image for gun owners. He needs to grow up and may have to deal with the consequences of his own actions. I wish this dysfunctional family all the best.

douglas_knott 02-10-2012 09:29 PM

Hey now. that guy is my uncle and his daughter cousin from Georgia.

Feathermerchant 02-10-2012 09:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by douglas_knott (Post 14813)
Hey now. that guy is my uncle and his daughter cousin from Georgia.

I still feel sorry for them and wish them the best.

douglas_knott 02-10-2012 09:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Feathermerchant (Post 14814)
I still feel sorry for them and wish them the best.

LOL can't fool mother hen. :)

GoldenVolt 02-10-2012 09:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snipersnest (Post 14754)
Absolutely..........all he needed was a couple of shots, no need to empty the gun! :D


+1

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Greg

oldrifleman 02-10-2012 09:51 PM

I as well

Dave Waits 02-10-2012 09:52 PM

Maybe I grew up in a different time but, I've been where that man is now. A lot of you know that and Mary, I have all the respect in the world for you but, the statements you made are one of the main reasons we're all starting to see such things. A fifteen year old girl does not command the respect of elders automatically, like any other child she has to earn it by first respecting others, especially her parents. She is not an equal, she is not a sister or brother to him, she is not a partner, she is his daughter. This means that for fifteen years he worried about her, loved her, supported her, fed her, wiped her nose and her rump, basically did everything he could for her.

How does this man get repaid for his devotion? She basically does a Character-assassination of him in a very public venue, tears him down and makes him look like a total Ass. Truthfully, I thought he acted with a lot of RESTRAINT. Had one of mine showed me such disrespect and ridicule, they would still have a hard time assuming a seated position and my youngest is almost 30! Further, if they didn't like it, I would gladly show them the door.

All that touchy-feely get in touch, try to compromise junk is just that. Junk! Oh, it will work fine...if you want a kid that walks all over you. You run that house, not them. They're not your partners, or your comtemporaries, they don't know enough to be. They're there by your good graces and should be thankful they're being cared for. Instead, what you see is a shallow, arrogant, petulent child who thinks she has the right to talk like an adult. Problem is, she's at the point where she'll carry that same attitude into adulthood.

Were I he, the remedy for this is simple, provide her shelter, food,medical care and basic clothing until she reaches 18, then give her the big 10D right in the rump and hope she bounces when she hits the concrete.

I guess you all can tell I'm pretty-much at the end of my patience with snotty-nosed disrespectful brats.

dsparkie 02-10-2012 10:30 PM

Dave, I agree with you 100%! If a child does not respect thier parents....They won't respect any adult including thier teachers!!:smash:

dw1911 02-10-2012 11:14 PM

Amen Brother!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave Waits (Post 14823)
Maybe I grew up in a different time but, I've been where that man is now. A lot of you know that and Mary, I have all the respect in the world for you but, the statements you made are one of the main reasons we're all starting to see such things. A fifteen year old girl does not command the respect of elders automatically, like any other child she has to earn it by first respecting others, especially her parents. She is not an equal, she is not a sister or brother to him, she is not a partner, she is his daughter. This means that for fifteen years he worried about her, loved her, supported her, fed her, wiped her nose and her rump, basically did everything he could for her.

How does this man get repaid for his devotion? She basically does a Character-assassination of him in a very public venue, tears him down and makes him look like a total Ass. Truthfully, I thought he acted with a lot of RESTRAINT. Had one of mine showed me such disrespect and ridicule, they would still have a hard time assuming a seated position and my youngest is almost 30! Further, if they didn't like it, I would gladly show them the door.

All that touchy-feely get in touch, try to compromise junk is just that. Junk! Oh, it will work fine...if you want a kid that walks all over you. You run that house, not them. They're not your partners, or your comtemporaries, they don't know enough to be. They're there by your good graces and should be thankful they're being cared for. Instead, what you see is a shallow, arrogant, petulent child who thinks she has the right to talk like an adult. Problem is, she's at the point where she'll carry that same attitude into adulthood.

Were I he, the remedy for this is simple, provide her shelter, food,medical care and basic clothing until she reaches 18, then give her the big 10D right in the rump and hope she bounces when she hits the concrete.

I guess you all can tell I'm pretty-much at the end of my patience with snotty-nosed disrespectful brats.

You get an "Amen Brother" from Me! I have a Great Daughter that respects me, She is grown and Married with my My 2 Grandsons! I'm real proud of HER. However, I have a "Stepdaughter" that acts like this girl, only She's 24! Nope, She doesn't live with me & the wife. Never will. She has told her Mom, my Wife. F**K You on several occasions! Her Mom, has yet to get as tough as She needs to with Her, but She's getting better at tough! If I said anything like that to My Mom, I probably wouldn't be here today! Believe Me, My Mom would have totally kicked my ass! She would have taken a baseball bat to my ass!

Thedragonslayer 02-11-2012 12:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave Waits (Post 14823)
Maybe I grew up in a different time but, I've been where that man is now. A lot of you know that and Mary, I have all the respect in the world for you but, the statements you made are one of the main reasons we're all starting to see such things. A fifteen year old girl does not command the respect of elders automatically, like any other child she has to earn it by first respecting others, especially her parents. She is not an equal, she is not a sister or brother to him, she is not a partner, she is his daughter. This means that for fifteen years he worried about her, loved her, supported her, fed her, wiped her nose and her rump, basically did everything he could for her.

How does this man get repaid for his devotion? She basically does a Character-assassination of him in a very public venue, tears him down and makes him look like a total Ass. Truthfully, I thought he acted with a lot of RESTRAINT. Had one of mine showed me such disrespect and ridicule, they would still have a hard time assuming a seated position and my youngest is almost 30! Further, if they didn't like it, I would gladly show them the door.

All that touchy-feely get in touch, try to compromise junk is just that. Junk! Oh, it will work fine...if you want a kid that walks all over you. You run that house, not them. They're not your partners, or your comtemporaries, they don't know enough to be. They're there by your good graces and should be thankful they're being cared for. Instead, what you see is a shallow, arrogant, petulent child who thinks she has the right to talk like an adult. Problem is, she's at the point where she'll carry that same attitude into adulthood.

Were I he, the remedy for this is simple, provide her shelter, food,medical care and basic clothing until she reaches 18, then give her the big 10D right in the rump and hope she bounces when she hits the concrete.

I guess you all can tell I'm pretty-much at the end of my patience with snotty-nosed disrespectful brats.


Dave I think you misread Mary's approach on this. She wasn't saying that a feel good party was in order. But as a "mom" herself she clearly sees the long term ramifications of the dad's actions.

But I'm going to take this one step further... (( I'd like to tan her (not Mary but the child that is his daughter) hide too.:mad:))

But we have all heard the addidge " the apple doesn't fall far from the tree." And this is the perfect example. I couldn't help to think, where did she learn her behavior from. And its clear to me it was from him. He made the cardinal error of "stooping to her level," (another addidge we should all remember as well.)

It is assured she is grossly at fault here and ought to have her tail whipped. But my issue is that this exposes a fact in all of our lives that God has given each of us a hypocrite detector in our lives and its our children. Now its true that our society is also affecting the boldness of the youth to act more and more boldly against those things in our lives that should be sources of comfort and assurance. And that is for another "lecture." :D

The foundation of the way we act comes directly from the actions we learn from our parents at a very early age. "The apple surely doesn't fall far from the tree."

Instead of doing what is right, those things most of ya'll mentioned, he has doomed the relationship and she will never respect him unless he shows her an example of character and not a mirror of how she wants to act.

If you watch the video and listen to him and not dwell on what she wrote (which is childish, disrespectful and slanderous) you will see what she wrote is exactly the way he is too. Children see the things we do and typically (not ALL) but typically take our faults and exacerbate them to even a higher level in some cases. A drunk is likely to raise a drunk, a reality that you don't see til its to late.

So as Mary said in the wisdom of a mother, the miserable mess just keeps spinning without any true resolution. I will bet a lot of money, (which I dont have without a job:() that unless the dad grows up a little and realizes that his daughter has become exactly what he is, that this will never end and this family like so many today will continue to be screwed.

Ok Dr. Phil will shut-up now, but I challenge anyone to refute what I just said. Been there, lived it, done it, and by the grace of God looked my son in the eye and admitted it and watched it change his life completely as he became an adult right before my eyes.

Well anyway... Im sure Im going to now get my head handed to me. Sorry, but I couldnt help to reflect on what life has taught me about going from age 12 to age 35 in one day.:eek:

oldrifleman 02-11-2012 12:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave Waits (Post 14823)
Maybe I grew up in a different time but, I've been where that man is now. A lot of you know that and Mary, I have all the respect in the world for you but, the statements you made are one of the main reasons we're all starting to see such things. A fifteen year old girl does not command the respect of elders automatically, like any other child she has to earn it by first respecting others, especially her parents. She is not an equal, she is not a sister or brother to him, she is not a partner, she is his daughter. This means that for fifteen years he worried about her, loved her, supported her, fed her, wiped her nose and her rump, basically did everything he could for her.

How does this man get repaid for his devotion? She basically does a Character-assassination of him in a very public venue, tears him down and makes him look like a total Ass. Truthfully, I thought he acted with a lot of RESTRAINT. Had one of mine showed me such disrespect and ridicule, they would still have a hard time assuming a seated position and my youngest is almost 30! Further, if they didn't like it, I would gladly show them the door.

All that touchy-feely get in touch, try to compromise junk is just that. Junk! Oh, it will work fine...if you want a kid that walks all over you. You run that house, not them. They're not your partners, or your comtemporaries, they don't know enough to be. They're there by your good graces and should be thankful they're being cared for. Instead, what you see is a shallow, arrogant, petulent child who thinks she has the right to talk like an adult. Problem is, she's at the point where she'll carry that same attitude into adulthood.

Were I he, the remedy for this is simple, provide her shelter, food,medical care and basic clothing until she reaches 18, then give her the big 10D right in the rump and hope she bounces when she hits the concrete.

I guess you all can tell I'm pretty-much at the end of my patience with snotty-nosed disrespectful brats.

Maybe I came off as a tree hugger, but I am not. I demand respect from my kids and am not one of the spare the rod guys ( ask my wife who disagrees with me). But he has not solved anything by shooting the laptop and posting what he did. There needs to be consequences for sure, her social life just became non-existent for quite a while (months). Her chore level just went up! All these things will force her to accept authority.
Nw I expect also she will be on her own after graduation, either her choice or his, not sure which will come first. But what is going on is just counter productive.
Of course I think you will still consider me too liberal, but we just have different levels of tolerance. Steven

SemperFi1977m 02-11-2012 01:19 AM

Im with Dave on this 110%. If I publicly ridiculed my dad, I would have rightfully gotten my butt kicked. I was their child, not their equal.

Sheepdog 02-11-2012 02:30 AM

I think I too need to clarify a few things. First of all i think this was all made for you tube production. I do not want to be misunderstood. I was not supporting the daughter in any way. My point was that you don't wait until they are fifteen and decide you are going to start raising your children. The shooting the laptop was just stupid. IMHO he should have used that belt for something other than holding his pistol, along time ago.

Thedragonslayer 02-11-2012 01:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sheepdog (Post 14846)
I think I too need to clarify a few things. First of all i think this was all made for you tube production. I do not want to be misunderstood. I was not supporting the daughter in any way. My point was that you don't wait until they are fifteen and decide you are going to start raising your children. The shooting the laptop was just stupid. IMHO he should have used that belt for something other than holding his pistol, along time ago.

And to add, Fox News I think has run with this story and of course it most likely will be all about another out of control gun nut. (Actually, the report was more about the direspectful daughter which is what would be expected.)

http://www.fox13now.com/news/kstu-fa...6617.htmlstory

But I still can't help to think of the family and why we as a society are quickly moving to a point where there is no respect from children to their parents.

This jerk of a father has now become another jerk gun owner for people who don't know any better.:mad:

Riverpigusmc 02-11-2012 01:26 PM

I vote we take up a collection and hire someone to beat both their asses. I'm done

oldrifleman 02-11-2012 01:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Riverpigusmc (Post 14874)
I vote we take up a collection and hire someone to beat both their asses. I'm done

Best suggestion yet! Steven

Thedragonslayer 02-11-2012 01:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Riverpigusmc (Post 14874)
I vote we take up a collection and hire someone to beat both their asses. I'm done

LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!funnyfunnyfunnyfunnyfunnyfunnyfunny

Sheepdog 02-11-2012 01:33 PM

Good idea!

Thedragonslayer 02-11-2012 01:36 PM

grouphug

Snipersnest 02-11-2012 03:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Riverpigusmc (Post 14874)
I vote we take up a collection and hire someone to beat both their asses. I'm done

You accept Pay Pal???

Feathermerchant 02-11-2012 05:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Riverpigusmc (Post 14874)
I vote we take up a collection and hire someone to beat both their asses. I'm done

Same here! I'm done.

Sunderbrew 02-14-2012 12:02 AM

It was a poor waste of ammo and a three inch group at three feet is pretty weak IMHO.

I agree with those who think he should use that belt for something other than carrying his holster and keeping his pants up.


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bvkdphillips 02-14-2012 11:10 AM

12 ga. would have made a much bigger statement!

Bob ;)


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