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Xbonz 04-19-2018 11:00 AM

Fusion Firearm Review final post
 
For those who may not have seen my 1911 gun porn post, and for those who have, here is a follow up.
The pistol, a Fusion Freedom CCO, was purchased NIB from Volusia Top Gun. Looked great on display. Dripping with oil. Wiped it down, went into the gun range, which VTG didn't charge for, and ran approximately 100 rounds through it. Very impressed with the performance. Got it home, disassembled it for cleaning and found an inordinate number of wear spots, many where they should not be. After a few emails and FB posts here is the final disposition from Tyler Serva at Fusion. This is the coating they use. The tightness of the gun causes the wear. (It is the standard black oxide finish). They offered to take the gun back to be redipped in the bluing tank. I told him thanks but no thanks. I also told him I would let as many people know as possible about the quality of their firearms. Bottom line----
STAY AWAY, unless you want to buy a weapon that needs to be refinished out of the gate.

Oh yeah, Paul at Volusia Top Gun is going above and beyond to resolve this, and I've never met him nor did I contact him to help me..

RKP 04-19-2018 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Xbonz (Post 160847)
...... They offered to take the gun back to be redipped in the bluing tank. I told him thanks but no thanks. I also told him I would let as many people know as possible about the quality of their firearms. Bottom line----
STAY AWAY, unless you want to buy a weapon that needs to be refinished out of the gate......

Thanks for the heads-up Howard !! :cool:

Caleb 04-19-2018 12:47 PM

First off, I agree with you and they need to remedy this fault in their build process.

But, let me ask you this. I’m not familiar with Fusion 1911s. Is this a hand fit (semi-custom) pistol like the Dan Wesson’s? Also, did I read correctly that you paid under $800 for this CCO?


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Xbonz 04-19-2018 02:31 PM

No and yes. Fusion does make hand fit semi-customs that are reported to be high quality, but this is not one of them. And price does not should not dictate finish. Think Glock.

Lonestar grips. 04-19-2018 02:32 PM

Howard, where are the wear spots at?

Xbonz 04-19-2018 02:34 PM

Under the slide lock, along the rails (typical), inside the frame just forward of the mag well, and a few other places. There are some pic's in my gun porn thread.

Lonestar grips. 04-19-2018 02:38 PM

the rails and inside the frame wouldn't bother me but under the slide stop would.

Xbonz 04-19-2018 03:01 PM

Take a closer look at the first picture, those white spots are wear marks-- down to the metal. Then take a closer look at pic 4 on the ass end above the rails.. Remember this is a new gun with less than 100 rounds thru it. If I'm wrong somebody please convince me, but none of my pistols have worn like this.

BlackKnight 04-19-2018 04:01 PM

I agree. while I anticipate some wear it should not be down to bare metal and definitely not practically right out of the box.
I have a series 70 Colt that I brought 30 years ago that doesn't have nowhere near that amount of wear on it.

BadOscar 04-19-2018 10:21 PM

Too bad really. I've always hoped that eventually something good would become of Fusion. If it wasn't for Bob Serva it's likely COTEP wouldn't even exist. I dare say it was the outstanding quality and reasonable price point of the Bob Serva Era Dan Wesson that really started the hype and attraction to DW. Not to mention his willingness to do what no other gun company would. He brought back the 10mm in style with the limited edition RZ. He participated and allowed people to basically spec exactly what they wanted in a public gun forum. He started putting custom parts on production guns, knocking it out of the park with the CBOB. Bob Serva was just the real deal boss for a while. He's responsible for a lot of good memories.

AFJuvat 04-20-2018 05:12 AM

Little hard to see in the pictures, but I am guessing that it either did not stay in the bluing tank long enough, or they did not give it enough time for the bluing to 'cure'.

It sounds dumb, but all else being equal, a blued finish that sits unmolested for 24+ hours is far more durable than one that didn't

I would also check the slide lock and anywhere else where there is wear for rough spots or a burr.

If you want it reblued, I'd be happy to rust blue it for you.

Caleb 04-20-2018 08:04 AM

Mike does good work, I can attest.

I agree that finish sucks and they need to change it. I was just asking if it was a custom gun but, that doesn’t really matter......it should NOT wear that fast.


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Xbonz 04-20-2018 08:21 AM

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Originally Posted by AFJuvat (Post 160861)
Little hard to see in the pictures, but I am guessing that it either did not stay in the bluing tank long enough, or they did not give it enough time for the bluing to 'cure'.

It sounds dumb, but all else being equal, a blued finish that sits unmolested for 24+ hours is far more durable than one that didn't

I would also check the slide lock and anywhere else where there is wear for rough spots or a burr.

If you want it reblued, I'd be happy to rust blue it for you.

I'll take you up on that offer.

Xbonz 04-20-2018 08:23 AM

I pm'd Bob Serva over on the big board. I heard back from him. "Yes, that is completely normal for black oxide finish on a tightly fit pistol. Just oil it up and have safe fun with her.":eek:

RKP 04-20-2018 08:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Xbonz (Post 160869)
I pm'd Bob Serva over on the big board. I heard back from him. "Yes, that is completely normal for black oxide finish on a tightly fit pistol. Just oil it up and have safe fun with her.":eek:

Alrighty :facepalm: ...... ^^ Doesn’t instill much confidence does it

Caleb 04-20-2018 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Xbonz (Post 160869)
I pm'd Bob Serva over on the big board. I heard back from him. "Yes, that is completely normal for black oxide finish on a tightly fit pistol. Just oil it up and have safe fun with her.":eek:



WTF...... apparently he doesn’t give a crap anymore. His DW days are gone.


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Pirate 04-20-2018 02:30 PM

Ok, so I finally decided to look at my rock island, this has 600 rounds through it.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...1e19611c05.jpg

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Xbonz 04-20-2018 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Pirate (Post 160879)
Ok, so I finally decided to look at my rock island, this has 600 rounds through it.

Based on Serva's reply mine is obviously a superior firearm, that's why the coating is worn off...

Pirate 04-20-2018 02:44 PM

I dunno, But I do know if I paid money for something to last I would also be furious with his response.. But I do have to thank you... Now I have to find out why my safe smells of rotten potatoes lol

RKP 04-21-2018 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Pirate (Post 160881)
.. But I do have to thank you... Now I have to find out why my safe smells of rotten potatoes lol

Just curious ... have you used 'Frog Lube' on any of guns?

Pirate 04-21-2018 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by RKP (Post 160897)
Just curious ... have you used 'Frog Lube' on any of guns?

No, slp2000

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RKP 04-22-2018 07:21 AM

^^ Nor do I, but, the reason I ask is 'Frog Lube' is known to emit a foul smelling odor over time.

DrHenley 04-22-2018 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by RKP (Post 160910)
^^ Nor do I, but, the reason I ask is 'Frog Lube' is known to emit a foul smelling odor over time.

Not if you follow the directions. Just about all the complaints I've heard about Frog Lube is from people who ignored the instructions and tried to use it like a regular gun oil.

The only legitimate complaint is that switching to Frog Lube is a lot of work, which is why people don't follow the directions.

MajO 04-22-2018 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by DrHenley (Post 160912)
Not if you follow the directions. Just about all the complaints I've heard about Frog Lube is from people who ignored the instructions and tried to use it like a regular gun oil.

The only legitimate complaint is that switching to Frog Lube is a lot of work, which is why people don't follow the directions.

And the gun keeps jumping out of the pan.
funny

RKP 04-22-2018 09:39 PM

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Originally Posted by MajO (Post 160916)
And the gun keeps jumping out of the pan.
funny

funny

Xbonz 05-15-2018 02:56 PM

End result
 
Got my money back from the LGS today. Shame Fusion couldn't step up..

RKP 05-15-2018 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Xbonz (Post 161185)
Got my money back from the LGS today. Shame Fusion couldn't step up..

Good for you Howard !! Lesson learned ... for all. http://www.cotep.org/forum/images/icons/icon14.gif

Riverpigusmc 05-15-2018 07:41 PM

sounds like Bob is getting the Les Baer customer service attitude

dw1911 05-16-2018 12:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Riverpigusmc (Post 161191)
sounds like Bob is getting the Les Baer customer service attitude

I can attest to Les Baer's attitude. It's Never the Gun! It's gotta be the shooter! I'll never buy another Les Baer! One & Done for Me! Sold it shortly after I bought it New! Les is one arrogant guy! :mad:

RKP 05-16-2018 09:41 AM

I've heard and read all of the stories about Les Baer and Co. and now this about Bob Serva and Co, never had to deal with either of them, sounds like I don’t want too either. http://www.cotep.org/forum/images/icons/icon13.gif

MajO 05-16-2018 11:03 AM

:eek: :(

Sheepdog 05-24-2018 09:57 PM

To quote one of our members Hail Caesar, "Friends don't let friends buy Fusions"


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