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dw1911 04-25-2020 02:38 PM

CCP Virus. Facts you may not know. From an Expert
 
BTW: Dr Mikovits is the Real Deal. Dr Fauci hates Her, because She tells the Truth, that costs Him and others Money! Lot's of Money!
YouTube removed the Video. Imagine that!

dw1911 04-25-2020 04:24 PM

https://youtu.be/AjZbxpCn12M

dw1911 04-25-2020 04:36 PM

YouTube removed the Video. Imagine that! They do not want Truth getting out that opposes the Anti Freedom Narrative

dw1911 04-25-2020 04:38 PM

https://youtu.be/jdNuhalwr8I

dw1911 04-28-2020 10:02 PM

YouTube removed the Video. Imagine that!

dw1911 05-15-2020 01:25 AM

https://youtu.be/2-0vlaY8-S4

DrHenley 05-15-2020 09:52 AM

Some facts you may not know about Dr. Judy Mikovits
 
Dr. Mikovits participated in and helped direct the NIH study that disproved her theory on the XMRV virus being a human pathogen, and that it was linked to chronic fatigue syndrome.

Now she counts on people not knowing that little fact when she talks about the conspiracy to discredit her research. She is the one that finally discredited it completely and admitted she was wrong.

https://science.sciencemag.org/content/337/6101/1441

Aliquots of specimens collected from each subject were distributed in duplicate in a blinded fashion to the two teams who initially reported XMRV (Mikovits and Ruscetti) (10) or pMLV (FDA) (11) in CFS populations and to the team that first reported failure to replicate their findings (CDC). To best replicate previous study designs, the FDA and Mikovits/Ruscetti/Hanson labs analyzed subject peripheral blood mononuclear cells (PBMC) and plasma; RNA from cultured cells was sent from the Ruscetti lab to the Hanson lab. The design and interpretation of experiments conducted in the Ruscetti and Hanson labs were guided by Mikovits.
...
Our results definitively indicate that there is no relationship between CFS/ME and infection with either XMRV or pMLV. Indeed, we did not find any evidence of human infection with XMRV or pMLV

https://twp.duke.edu/sites/twp.duke....1441.full_.pdf
But the results of the biggest study of all had yet to come out. Funded by the U.S. National Institutes of Health (NIH) and led by Ian Lipkin of Columbia University, the $1 million multicenter project finally published its results on Tuesday in mBio—and not surprisingly, it concludes that the XMRV theory is really, really dead. What is surprising, scientists say, is that Judy Mikovits, the main author of the 2009 paper and the staunchest defender of a role for XMRV—or something closely related—is won over. Mikovits, who participated in Lipkin’s study, concedes it is “the definitive answer. … There is no evidence that XMRV is a human pathogen.”​

No previous study had tried to replicate her findings using her exact methods, Mikovits says. “I’m forever grateful to Ian Lipkin for making it possible to participate,” she says. Lipkin says he is “proud” of Mikovits for accepting the outcome.

dw1911 05-18-2020 03:43 PM

Can you Discredit This Expert?
 
YouTube removed the Video. Imagine that! They Hate anything that is Pro Freedom!

dw1911 05-18-2020 03:45 PM

How about this one?
 
https://youtu.be/Sc82jHV5Gkc?list=WL

dw1911 05-18-2020 03:46 PM

And Doctor Buttar?
 
https://youtu.be/QA7SSLZtakU?list=WL

dw1911 05-18-2020 03:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DrHenley (Post 171440)
Dr. Mikovits participated in and helped direct the NIH study that disproved her theory on the XMRV virus being a human pathogen, and that it was linked to chronic fatigue syndrome.

Now she counts on people not knowing that little fact when she talks about the conspiracy to discredit her research. She is the one that finally discredited it completely and admitted she was wrong.

https://science.sciencemag.org/content/337/6101/1441

Aliquots of specimens collected from each subject were distributed in duplicate in a blinded fashion to the two teams who initially reported XMRV (Mikovits and Ruscetti) (10) or pMLV (FDA) (11) in CFS populations and to the team that first reported failure to replicate their findings (CDC). To best replicate previous study designs, the FDA and Mikovits/Ruscetti/Hanson labs analyzed subject peripheral blood mononuclear cells (PBMC) and plasma; RNA from cultured cells was sent from the Ruscetti lab to the Hanson lab. The design and interpretation of experiments conducted in the Ruscetti and Hanson labs were guided by Mikovits.
...
Our results definitively indicate that there is no relationship between CFS/ME and infection with either XMRV or pMLV. Indeed, we did not find any evidence of human infection with XMRV or pMLV

https://twp.duke.edu/sites/twp.duke....1441.full_.pdf
But the results of the biggest study of all had yet to come out. Funded by the U.S. National Institutes of Health (NIH) and led by Ian Lipkin of Columbia University, the $1 million multicenter project finally published its results on Tuesday in mBio—and not surprisingly, it concludes that the XMRV theory is really, really dead. What is surprising, scientists say, is that Judy Mikovits, the main author of the 2009 paper and the staunchest defender of a role for XMRV—or something closely related—is won over. Mikovits, who participated in Lipkin’s study, concedes it is “the definitive answer. … There is no evidence that XMRV is a human pathogen.”​

No previous study had tried to replicate her findings using her exact methods, Mikovits says. “I’m forever grateful to Ian Lipkin for making it possible to participate,” she says. Lipkin says he is “proud” of Mikovits for accepting the outcome.

I for one, Believe Dr Mikovits. I think THIS is a Hit Piece on Her to make Her Look Bad. Orchestrated By Crooked Tony Fauci! Believe what you want. But I feel Certain Dr Mikovits is telling The Truth

DrHenley 05-18-2020 05:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dw1911 (Post 171491)
I for one, Believe Dr Mikovits. I think THIS is a Hit Piece on Her to make Her Look Bad. Orchestrated By Crooked Tony Fauci! Believe what you want. But I feel Certain Dr Mikovits is telling The Truth

What is a hit piece on her?

Mikovits came up on another site, so I went and did some research on her to find out for myself. As far as I'm concerned she smells of snake oil. You can believe what you want, but I did my homework.

I'm not pro-vaccine, they have all sorts of bad side effects. I don't have to listen to any videos to know that, the CDC publishes all the information I need to know how dangerous they are.

dw1911 05-18-2020 06:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DrHenley (Post 171494)
What is a hit piece on her?

Mikovits came up on another site, so I went and did some research on her to find out for myself. As far as I'm concerned she smells of snake oil. You can believe what you want, but I did my homework.

I'm not pro-vaccine, they have all sorts of bad side effects. I don't have to listen to any videos to know that, the CDC publishes all the information I need to know how dangerous they are.

With Respect, I have also done My Homework. Other Doctors and Experts not related to Her or in with Her in any way, also say this is Way Overblown, and masks are NOT Good, and Herd Immunity is hard to achieve on Lock downs.
Not saying this isn't a Bad Flu Bug, but We have an Immune System From God, It works Pretty Darn good if you are Reasonably Healthy. That Immune System Requires we get exposed to things like this to Develop and Immunity to it. And a Powerful Man like Tony Fauci can easily make Her look bad.
I have NOT worn a mask, or practiced "social distancing", I am 61+ years old, and I smoke. I am Fine, so is My Wife. And, I do NOT know a single person in my Family, or group of Friends that either has this bug, knows anyone who has had this bug, or knows anybody that died from this bug. The Numbers do not add up! Maybe we'll agree to Disagree on this and call it a day!

dw1911 05-18-2020 07:03 PM

From the CDC
 
https://www.cdc.gov/flu/pandemic-res...pandemics.html

These, No Lock Downs, No Face Masks, No "Social Distancing" No Mandatory Quarantines.
No Government Shutdowns and Massive Loss of Jobs.
Why Now? :confused:

DrHenley 05-18-2020 08:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dw1911 (Post 171505)
https://www.cdc.gov/flu/pandemic-res...pandemics.html

These, No Lock Downs, No Face Masks, No "Social Distancing" No Mandatory Quarantines.
No Government Shutdowns and Massive Loss of Jobs.
Why Now? :confused:

Spanish flu (Pandemic of 1918)

There was a world war on and governments didn't want to shut down businesses because of the war effort. Businesses shut down anyhow because they were afraid to open.

Up to 100 million died. 40,000 US soldiers died of the Spanish Flu.

People wore masks on their own. Nobody had to tell them to then.

https://i.imgur.com/RbMpKqy.jpg
https://www.crushthat.com/wp-content...-Barnhart.jpeg
https://external-content.duckduckgo....jpg&f=1&nofb=1
https://external-content.duckduckgo....8B0&f=1&nofb=1

dw1911 05-19-2020 12:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DrHenley (Post 171509)
Spanish flu (Pandemic of 1918)

There was a world war on and governments didn't want to shut down businesses because of the war effort. Businesses shut down anyhow because they were afraid to open.

Up to 100 million died. 40,000 US soldiers died of the Spanish Flu.

People wore masks on their own. Nobody had to tell them to then.

https://i.imgur.com/RbMpKqy.jpg
https://www.crushthat.com/wp-content...-Barnhart.jpeg
https://external-content.duckduckgo....jpg&f=1&nofb=1
https://external-content.duckduckgo....8B0&f=1&nofb=1

Knew that, over 100 years ago. There was no Mandatory Government
Anything. No Total USA Lock Down.
Also:Most influenza outbreaks disproportionately kill the very young and the very old, with a higher survival rate for those in between, but the Spanish flu pandemic resulted in a higher than expected mortality rate for young adults.[6] Scientists offer several possible explanations for the high mortality rate of the 1918 influenza pandemic. Some analyses have shown the virus to be particularly deadly because it triggers a cytokine storm, which ravages the stronger immune system of young adults.[7] In contrast, a 2007 analysis of medical journals from the period of the pandemic found that the viral infection was no more aggressive than previous influenza strains.[8][9] Instead, malnourishment, overcrowded medical camps and hospitals, and poor hygiene, all exacerbated by the recent war, promoted bacterial superinfection. This superinfection killed most of the victims, typically after a somewhat prolonged death bed.[10][11]
How about this one?:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Influe...s_subtype_H5N1
And this one?: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_s..._United_States
2009 Swine Flu was on Obama's watch. No USA Lock Down. Etc.
Here's the Big one! NONE of the past Pandemics resulted in this Massive Rights Infringements we are seeing with this one! Executive Orders to Stay Home? That is House Arrest Man! Unacceptable! Closing Gun Stores and shooting Ranges , and other businesses? Unacceptable. That is Government Out Of Control ! Unconstitutional Control Of Citizens!

dw1911 05-19-2020 12:53 AM

https://youtu.be/QIf2audbX0Q

dw1911 05-19-2020 01:00 AM

https://youtu.be/bIFh9aHkf0c

dw1911 05-19-2020 01:19 AM

https://youtu.be/NIu6awEWqy4

dw1911 05-19-2020 02:21 AM

Legit Question: Tony Fauci said in 2017 that this administration would experience a Pandemic, HOW did He know that? Why did He know that, and what role did He have in that? Follow the money.

dw1911 05-19-2020 10:51 PM

This Summer, when Temperatures Rise and Humidity Rises, the People wearing Masks will be passing out! Not Good! We NEED to Be able to Breath in, and Breath Out! This is Common Sense People! I choose Common Sense over Fear Every Time! God is My Mask.

dw1911 05-19-2020 11:09 PM

https://watch.uimedianetwork.org/vid...ovits-may-13th

dw1911 05-19-2020 11:17 PM

By the way
 
https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2012...judy-mikovits#

Criminal Charges Dropped Against Chronic Fatigue Syndrome Researcher Judy Mikovits

By Jon CohenJun. 13, 2012 , 5:12 PM

Judy Mikovits, who faced a series of professional and legal woes after publishing a study in Science more than 2 years ago that linked chronic fatigue syndrome (CFS) to a mouse retrovirus, has had a pending criminal case against her dropped.

Last November, the district attorney in Washoe County, Nevada, filed a criminal complaint against Mikovits that charged the virologist with illegally taking computer data and related property from her former employer, the Whittemore Peterson Institute for Neuro-Immune Disease (WPI) in Reno, Nevada. In a separate civil court that month, WPI filed suit against Mikovits over her alleged possession of similar material, which included the laboratory notebooks she compiled while doing the CFS research.

On 11 June, the district attorney's office for Washoe County filed a petition to dismiss the criminal charges against Mikovits without prejudice (which means they can file a related complaint in the future), a clerk to the Justice Court of Reno told ScienceInsider.

Mikovits, who was briefly jailed on the charges, is still defending herself in the civil case, which has taken several bizarre twists, including a judge who had ruled against Mikovits recusing himself. The judge removed himself from the case because he received campaign donations from WPI co-founder Harvey Whittemore, who himself has been criminally charged with making illegal campaign contributions to a federal official. (He pled not guilty on 7 June).

Assistant District Attorney John Helzer, who filed the dismissal, says Whittemore's legal troubles factored into his decision. "There's a lot going on with the federal government and different levels that wasn't occurring when we first became involved with prosecuting this case," says Helzer. "And we have witness issues that have arisen."

Science last December retracted the 8 October 2009 CFS paper by Mikovits and co-authors, an action she opposed.

Mikovits told ScienceInsider that the only work she has been able to find has been collaborating on a large study funded by the National Institutes of Health that should be the final word on the otherwise dismissed theory that CFS is linked to a mouse retrovirus, XMRV, or its relatives. "Everyone who wanted to work with me
was deterred by the threat of litigation," Mikovits wrote in an e-mail.

The results of the large study, led by Ian Lipkin of Columbia University, are expected to be revealed in the next few weeks.
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dw1911 05-19-2020 11:26 PM

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020...onavirus-wrong

Study claiming new coronavirus can be transmitted by people without symptoms was flawed

By Kai KupferschmidtFeb. 3, 2020 , 5:30 PM

A paper published on 30 January in The New England Journal of Medicine (NEJM) about the first four people in Germany infected with a novel coronavirus made many headlines because it seemed to confirm what public health experts feared: that someone who has no symptoms from infection with the virus, named 2019-nCoV, can still transmit it to others. That might make controlling the virus much harder.

Chinese researchers had previously suggested asymptomatic people might transmit the virus but had not presented clear-cut evidence. “There’s no doubt after reading [the NEJM] paper that asymptomatic transmission is occurring,” Anthony Fauci, director of the U.S. National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, told journalists. “This study lays the question to rest.”

But now, it turns out that information was wrong.
The Robert Koch Institute (RKI), the German government’s public health agency, has written a letter to NEJM to set the record straight, even though it was not involved in the paper.

The letter in NEJM described a cluster of infections that began after a businesswoman from Shanghai visited a company near Munich on 20 and 21 January, where she had a meeting with the first of four people who later fell ill. Crucially, she wasn’t sick at the time: “During her stay, she had been well with no sign or symptoms of infection but had become ill on her flight back to China,” the authors wrote. “The fact that asymptomatic persons are potential sources of 2019-nCoV infection may warrant a reassessment of transmission dynamics of the current outbreak.”

But the researchers didn’t actually speak to the woman before they published the paper. The last author, Michael Hoelscher of the Ludwig Maximilian University of Munich Medical Center, says the paper relied on information from the four other patients: “They told us that the patient from China did not appear to have any symptoms.” Afterward, however, RKI and the Health and Food Safety Authority of the state of Bavaria did talk to the Shanghai patient on the phone, and it turned out she did have symptoms while in Germany. According to people familiar with the call, she felt tired, suffered from muscle pain, and took paracetamol, a fever-lowering medication. (An RKI spokesperson would only confirm to Science that the woman had symptoms.)

Hoelscher was not on the call, he says. “I asked the Bavarian Health and Food Safety Authority whether the information from that phone conversation called for a correction and I was told that is not the case,” he says. (The Bavarian ministry of health, of which the agency is part, has not responded to a request for information from ScienceInsider.) But RKI disagreed. The agency’s spokesperson confirms that a letter about the error has been submitted to NEJM. RKI also informed the World Health Organization (WHO) and European partner agencies about the new information.

“I feel bad about how this went, but I don’t think anybody is at fault here,” says virologist Christian Drosten of the Charité University Hospital in Berlin, who did the lab work for the study and is one of its authors. “Apparently the woman could not be reached at first and people felt this had to be communicated quickly.”

Marc Lipsitch, an epidemiologist at the Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health, says calling a case asymptomatic without talking to the person is problematic. “In retrospect, it sounds like this was a poor choice,” he says. However, “In an emergency setting, it’s often not possible to talk to all the people,” he adds. “I’m assuming that this was an overstretched group trying to get out their best idea of what the truth was quickly rather than somebody trying to be careless.”

The Public Health Agency of Sweden reacted less charitably. “The sources that claimed that the coronavirus would infect during the incubation period lack scientific support for this analysis in their articles,” says a document with frequently asked questions the agency posted on its website yesterday. “This applies, among other things, to an article in [NEJM] that has subsequently proven to contain major flaws and errors.” Even if the patient’s symptoms were unspecific, it wasn’t an asymptomatic infection, says Isaac Bogoch, an infectious disease specialist at the University of Toronto. “Asymptomatic means no symptoms, zero. It means you feel fine. We have to be careful with our words.”

Hoelscher agrees that the paper should have been clearer about the origin of the information about the woman’s health. “If I was writing this today, I would phrase that differently,” he says. The need to share information as fast as possible, along with NEJM’s push to publish early, created a lot of pressure, he says.

Given how fast data are coming out amid the growing global crisis, it’s good to read even peer-reviewed papers with some extra caution at the moment, Lipsitch says: “I think peer review is lighter in the middle of an epidemic than it is at normal speed, and also the quality of the data going into the papers is necessarily more uncertain.”

The fact that the paper got it wrong doesn’t mean transmission from asymptomatic people doesn’t occur. Fauci, for one, still believes it does. "This evening I telephoned one of my colleagues in China who is a highly respected infectious diseases scientist and health official," he says. "He said that he is convinced that there is asymptomatic infection and that some asymptomatic people are transmitting infection." But even if they do, asymptomatic transmission likely plays a minor role in the epidemic overall, WHO says. People who cough or sneeze are more likely to spread the virus, the agency wrote in a situation report on Saturday. “More data may come out soon. We will just have to wait,” Lipsitch says.

The German cluster does reveal another interesting aspect about the new virus, Drosten says. So far most attention has gone to patients who get seriously ill, but all four cases in Germany had a very mild infection. That may be true for many more patients, Drosten says, which may help the virus spread. “There is increasingly the sense that patients may just experience mild cold symptoms, while already shedding the virus,” he says. “Those are not symptoms that lead people to stay at home.”


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