First Remington and now...gasp....Ruger
 

I can't say that either of these offerings elicits much more than a yawn from me. Johny come lately is all they are in my view. Slapped together for the mass market with no real significant pluses of any kind to distinguish them from say the tried and true decent budget 1911s from Armscor. (Note that I didn't mention the cheap Taurus as I don't consider them worthy of any consideration for any number of reasons not worth going into here.)

Now I will admit my bias here.... first against Remington who, back in the days when the 5 MBA suits owned the company, told me that 3 MOA for their Varmint rifles was "good enough" despite the chamber on my 700V being outside of SAMMI specs and having 0.090" over overbore. HA! These were the same mental midgets who deemed the XP100 a niche gun and had it dropped from their line. Dealer took it back angrier than I was at Remington. Haven't bought jack from them since.

Then there's Bill Ruger, champion of the 10 round max capacity handgun magazine. Great when a gun company CEO goes tits up and touts gun control measures for the masses. He lost me and a good number of my friends as customers with that bit of brilliance. So no love lost on either of these firms and their new 1911 offerings. Can you say PASS?

So Bald1 did you get to Shoot or handle a Remington R1 or was it the RI Enhanced?

Clyde

Clyde,

No interest in doing so from me when the same kind of money can get me someone else's slabsides that on paper seem to offer more. But like I said, I am biased against both Remington and Ruger. Plenty of decent alternatives in today's marketplace.

It is Okay, I got and R1 OTD on Saturday for $549.00........

Now have the Money to buy another 1911, so what do you think of the
S70's?????????????????

Clyde

Clyde, I have an R1 and it is decent for the money.
S70 Colt re-issue it probably one of my next two purchases. I have 4 DWs and at least twice that in ponies.

Hey Army 1911, I will give you two Bits for one of your Colts........

Clyde

I'd be interested in looking at one when they come out .

but figure it's just another "value" price point entry level 1911 in an already crowded market place

Rock Island has filled that niche nicely for "me"




If Ruger puts it out there in the $400 price point, I'll take a serious look at it.
If it's in the $500-$600 range, probably not



..L.T.A.

The Ruger has a MRSP of *GASP* $940. Like I said.... PASS!

Pictures and where I got the pricing from: http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2...-photo-leaked/

:eek::eek:

Holy mackerel Andy !! That's a shocker

i can't wait to see one now .
It would have to be something pretty special at that price point to get me off Springfield or Colt

..l.T.A.

Clyde, you need to add an older Colt Delta Elite to your collection!!:):)

An old one not the new ones.

Very pricey for new kids on the block. Pass.

I have been seeing R1s around here for $600ish. But I still would not want one after seeing Ruger's other new flagship product the SR9 with it's tinny pot metal controls. But then again, I don't like anybody's tupperware.

Bill

Its not ugly.

http://www.ruger.com/products/sr1911/features.html

I have to agree with you.

Thank you for the link!

All I have to say for now is hmmm.....maybe!
It has genuine Novak night sights.

I may be seeing things but it looks like it has a Cobra mag.:confused:

70 series. Probably MIM and what looks suspiciously like a plastic mainspring housing (hard to tell).

Would like to know if it has a forged frame..... probably not.

I would guess that Ruger will want to leverage its expert casting process.
Probably uses MIM parts, but then again who doesn't in this price range?
I would be interested to know.

At a sub $600 street price, I would buy one. We know it is no Dan Wesson, but then it is priced at a lot lower pricepoint.

http://www.downrange.tv/blog/the-rug...11-video/9290/

Investment cast. Not a shocker. Real Novak sights is a surprise. :cool:

Thank you for the video link oak1971.

I am going to buy one.
It looks like they have a 4lb trigger pull and can do 1.25-1.5 in groups at 25 yards-if I understood the video correctly.

It would make a nice truck gun.

All USA made pistol, not a single foreign part.

Forged slide. Cast frame.
Integral plunger tube!!
Real Novak sights!!!

Probably has MIM. But we will have to see if it is "Taurus" MIM or "Colt" MIM. (Good or bad MIM.)

If it isn't a Taurus, it is going to put a hurt to the low priced STI's and whooop RIA.

I don't necessarily agree with your forecast of doom for Armscor 1911s regardless of what brand name they're marked with (RIA, Citadel, etc). They have a solid reputation for value and customer support. I bought one under the Charles Daly banner in 2006 (EFS Field model) and it's been solid. So solid that I use it as a platform for a 400 Cor-Bon conversion :) They're still gonna be nearly a couple hundred less than the street price of the Ruger.

http://rap.midco.net/bald1/CD_EFS_Field_400CB.jpg

http://rap.midco.net/bald1/JMB_handguns%20x9.jpg

Ruger wlll not put RIA out of business, that is for sure. But if the Ruger is the same or better quality, Ruger will but the serious hurt to RIA sales. It looks as the gun will sell at or slightly under 7 bills out the door and into your safe.

That is for a gun that every part is USA made. With real Novak sights, not cheap ripoffs.

It may not put $400 RIA's out of business, but at "street" price of 600 or so it will own that part of the market.

I'm trying to find actual dealers at a distributor, but I think the price may be closer to 6 then 7. If that is the case the average buyer (where I live) will not even consider the RIA for a Ruger. Ruger has the name and will be advertised as a all USA made gun. With the real sights, integral tube, supposed build quality.....it will be a huge seller. (If it isn't a POS).:p

Product launches have been a bitch for Ruger in the past. The fact that they claim to have actual 1911 gunsmiths overseeing the production process gives me some hope that they have learned something......maybe.

Well until one of us buy one of the Ruger 1911's and does a comparsion don't condemn them yet............
And compare them to a 1911 in the same price Range like Remington R1...

Clyde

If it's built like Rugers' other Semi-Autos, RIA has nothing to worry about. RIA, contrary to purist thought, are a value well above their price. They may not be the prettiest but they run like most of the best.

+1 :d

I agree with Bald1 on this one. I wouldn't buy a Ruger, Smith&Wesson, Kimber or Taurus if they were .50 each.

I never meant to say that RIA were "junk". Actually recommend them all the time. But the Ruger is a interesting new introduction. IF......it is a quality gun then it will be a winner. If......

I just got the dealers price on these (:eek:). If you are on your dealers good side you will likely get this one for under $640 out the door.

The price will be right. Who will be the first to take the plunge?

$600 to $700 price isn't the same as the $350 to $450 price point niche RIA enjoys .
They'll have to get closer to $500 to take a significant market share from RIA IMO

that pistol is aimed squarely at Remington, Para's GI Expert and Sprindfield's Mil-Spec and RO

Using the "all AmUrican" parts and manufacture as their unique selling position is a great marking move too.



IMO, Remington and Para have the most to lose on this one


..L.T.A.

Don’t forget the STI Trojan.

Agreed! The models you listed are their direct competitors.
Agreed!

hey Oak, where did you read the thing about 1911 gunsmiths?
Dave

Its in the video.

just saw this write up on the Ruger over on the other forum: http://www.gunblast.com/Ruger-SR1911.htm

some nice pics and descriptions. That is definitely the same reciever sold by Caspian. They have a good pic of it stripped down.

I cant wait for of us to get one and tell us what they think. :-)

Thanks Oak, appreciate that.