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DrHenley 08-01-2014 08:25 AM

Ebola comes to Atlanta
 
Does this not sound just like the opening of a Sci-Fi horror flick?

Quote:

Emory University Hospital is expected to receive a patient infected with the deadly Ebola virus within the next several days, the university announced Thursday.
http://www.ajc.com/news/news/breakin...patient/ngrtm/

brownie 08-01-2014 09:08 AM

Saw that on the news this morning. Atlanta is set up with a special unit for ebola vics and has staff trained yearly on how to deal with it. One of two hospitals in the country so set up from what I read.

Scary sheet, bringing vics here on purpose

Shadow 08-01-2014 09:23 AM

Scary, yes, but would you want a loved one stuck in a third world country with a life threatening illness? They are American citizens, do we just leave them there?

These isolation facilities are set up to handle these potential pandemics, including smallpox, drug resistant TB to name a couple.

These facilities did not exist when the 1918 Spanish flu epidemic killed an estimated 50 million people world wide.

AdamG247 (Navy-Ret) 08-01-2014 11:41 AM

As far as I know and have read, it is against the immigration law to knowing enter or bring someone into the County with a know and active contagion of this type. But obviously we no longer are a law abiding civilization. We are a do whatever you WANT nation now.

If this gets out, and it just might, we will see an epidemic like no other in history.

I guess it was just too much work to take a medical team to the patient. How inconvenient for the Medical staff.

I wake everyday to read new and greater horror stories. Unfortunately, they are not fiction, they are breaking NEWS......

milkmanjoe 08-01-2014 12:01 PM

I know that bad people would be happy to send people here with early symptoms, or infect what would be suicide bombers and get them on planes before symptoms show. I know my trailer is loaded and if this sh*t breaks out we are secluded up in SC in ten hours. But I'm always ready to bug out so it's not like I did anything special.

DrHenley 08-01-2014 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Shadow (Post 84232)
These isolation facilities are set up to handle these potential pandemics, including smallpox, drug resistant TB to name a couple.

Just like in the Sci-Fi horror flicks...

milkmanjoe 08-01-2014 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by DrHenley (Post 84259)
Just like in the Sci-Fi horror flicks...

The places are the places, it's the people I do not trust. I mean, the top guy if infectious disease over there died this week from the very disease he was working on, with all his precautions.

In shorter terms....I agree

DrHenley 08-01-2014 04:18 PM

I'm actually a lot more worried about the infections coming by the trainload across the southern border. They have already been reported outbreaks of pneumonia, scabies, H1N1, tuberculosis, chicken pox, and measles. There are rumors of dengue fever and ebola infections.

sdmc530 08-01-2014 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by DrHenley (Post 84268)
I'm actually a lot more worried about the infections coming by the trainload across the southern border. They have already been reported outbreaks of pneumonia, scabies, H1N1, tuberculosis, chicken pox, and measles. There are rumors of dengue fever and ebola infections.

THIS^^^ is right on the money!!

aqualungs 08-01-2014 05:49 PM

I agree, anyone think this could be an "oops" to address the population problem? I mean we are kind of overpopulated, and with overpopulation, famine and disease usually run rampant. We also know moving mass peoples into other lands causes disease. Look what happened to the American Indians.

Either I'm just getting older and falling apart, but it seems like everyone I know lately is sick or falling apart.

sdmc530 08-01-2014 05:52 PM

your just old funny

skosh69 08-01-2014 06:04 PM

Ebola needs to come/go to Washington, DC!!!!

aqualungs 08-01-2014 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by sdmc530 (Post 84294)
your just old funny

That's what I thought! :D

milkmanjoe 08-01-2014 07:13 PM

Well, the bulk of the border crossers who do not get shipped elsewhere by the gubmint head to New York. Not wishing bad on the good people of New York, that's where they go according to FOX.

DrHenley 08-01-2014 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by aqualungs (Post 84292)
I mean we are kind of overpopulated, and with overpopulation, famine and disease usually run rampant.

"We" meaning in Ohio, or the U.S. as a whole?

I guess if you live in Cleveland you could get that impression, with a population density (5,107/sq mi) closer to Tokyo (6,810/sq mi) than the city I live in.

The population density of Columbus GA, where I live, is 861 per square mile. The population density of my home state, Mississippi, is 63.5 per square mile. Over half the states (including most of the largest ones) have a population density of less than 100 people per square mile. "We" are not overpopulated by a long stretch.

sdmc530 08-01-2014 08:30 PM

Ebola Map
 
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Well if there is an outbreak here is the outbreak center for your area..hope you don't need a gas station on the way...Looks like WY is hosed too!

Night Owl 08-01-2014 11:21 PM

For what my two cents is worth, I’m amazed at the arrogance of our medical community!

Everyone from medical consultants on national news channels, to the head of the hospital where the vics will be kept, are saying that the American system is the best in the world; that extra precautions have been taken and everyone can relax, etc, etc…

If everything is so foolproof, why did we have the scares in the past couple of weeks about protocols not being followed in the CDC, and cardboard cases full of old vials of anthrax and smallpox being improperly stored.

Did anyone else see the video of the doctor, who is now infected, treating his patients? His arms from wrists to under the sleeves of his scrubs were covered with open plaque psoriasis sores. Then he was treating infected people without wearing a mask or gloves! As hot as it gets in western Africa, it is an unconscious movement to wipe off some sweat from brow or other skin areas. He wasn’t wearing gloves and had open sores! Why is anyone, especially him, surprised he got infected?

Now we’re bringing them home where there in such good hands that nothing could ever go wrong…go wrong…go wrong!

Everyone has a family and loved ones. I can’t see jeopardizing a large population with the excuse we are bringing very sick people home to be with their ‘loved ones’.

I sure hope my pessimism is misplaced and wrong, but I don’t trust the medical profession as much as they trust themselves.

I think bringing them back to the States is a very bad and scary plan. (Rant over…)

Regards,

Owl

GD2A 08-01-2014 11:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Shadow (Post 84232)
Scary, yes, but would you want a loved one stuck in a third world country with a life threatening illness? They are American citizens, do we just leave them there?

Well, actually, yes. No ... make that HELL YES!

If it was my loved one, I'd be kicking, screaming and crying but I'd not be looking to bring them 'home.' The lives of a few do not outweigh a few hundred million in my book.

TLE2 08-02-2014 12:57 AM

Ebola is spread only by contact with body fluids. It kills quickly and rarely spreads beyond the original area of infection zone.

Read "The Hot Zone" good factual book.

DrHenley 08-02-2014 09:07 AM

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Originally Posted by TLE2 (Post 84381)
Ebola is spread only by contact with body fluids. It kills quickly and rarely spreads beyond the original area of infection zone.
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RARELY do you fly Ebola patients out of the infection zone. This IS one of those "rarely" events.

AdamG247 (Navy-Ret) 08-02-2014 09:13 AM

Just some FACTS about EBOLA. So were all on the same page about this decision to bring infected here. Yes they are Americans. They put themselves in great danger and took undue risk. Now we feel compelled to help them?

EBOLA "NO CURE":
http://health.usnews.com/health-news...oosts-survival

EBOLA has a 90% Fatality rate. Of 100 people infected only 10 will survive.

Currently there is no known form of Vaccine to prevent infection.

Ebola is spread "Still being confirmed" via contact with other humans.

http://www.who.int/mediacentre/factsheets/fs103/en/

Other "Direct Contact" diseases for comparison purposes:

•Anthrax -
•Coronavirus -
•Group A Streptococcus -
•Invasive Group B Streptococcal (GBS) -
•Haemophilus influenza -
•Legionellosis -
•Meningococcal Disease -
•MERS-CoV -
•MRSA -
•Plague -
•Strep pneumoniae -
•SARS -

Source "http://www.maine.gov/dhhs/mecdc/infectious-disease/epi/airborne/"

About "Immigrant Health" :

"Immigrants and refugees must undergo a medical exam as part of the immigration process for entry into the United States. The exam includes screening for any illness defined as a communicable disease of public health significance. All of these diseases can be easily spread between people. Those immigrants and refugees found to have these diseases may not enter the United States. "

"What diseases prevent non-U.S. citizens from coming to the United States?

Diseases that can prevent entry to the U.S. fall into three categories:

•Any of the following diseases: active tuberculosis, infectious syphilis, gonorrhea, infectious leprosy, chancroid, lymphogranuloma venereum, granuloma inguinale, and HIV infection. (HIV infection will be removed on January 4, 2010)

•Quarantinable diseases designated by any Presidential Executive Order. The current list of diseases includes cholera, diphtheria, infectious tuberculosis, plague, smallpox, yellow fever, viral hemorrhagic fevers, severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS), and influenza caused by novel or re-emergent influenza (pandemic flu).

•Diseases reportable as a public health emergency of international concern to the World Health Organization under the International Health Regulations of 2005. These diseases currently include: polio, smallpox, SARS, pandemic flu and other public health emergencies of international concern."

Source of the above Immigrant Health Screening information:
http://www.cdc.gov/immigrantrefugeeh...eneral-qa.html

milkmanjoe 08-02-2014 10:02 AM

Like Nancy Snyderman(can't stand her) stated on TV....usually these things will "burn themselves out". Let's translate that........Keep the people who have it in one place and treat them till they die.

So, transporting infected people to a country that has no known accounts of this disease does not seem like a stroke of brilliance.

For the conspiracy theorists. Could this disease turn America into a famine/disease infested Country? Could it be done on purpose? We only have but a handful of infectious disease centers, which would be full in hours if there were an outbreak. Id there a bigger plan here? Kill off the non productive baby boomers(weakend immune systems) and be left with the young left wingnuts that always vote Democrat? This could go on forever.....as conspircay theories do.

Fact is, if a few people who are infected start sneezing in the checkout line at Walmart in a few different states we are screwed.

DrHenley 08-02-2014 01:57 PM

HIV is much more difficult to transmit than Ebola. Yet HIV has spread to every corner of the earth.

milkmanjoe 08-02-2014 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by DrHenley (Post 84424)
HIV is much more difficult to transmit than Ebola. Yet HIV has spread to every corner of the earth.

I read today that scientists have used aerosol methods of spreading the disease in tests, and it worked. Seems that when transmitted that way it is not as deadly, which they cannot explain.

Here's my opinion.....It's deadly and should be kept quarantined, not imported.

Sheepdog 08-02-2014 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by DrHenley (Post 84393)
RARELY do you fly Ebola patients out of the infection zone. This IS one of those "rarely" events.

Why is that? Seems like they could ship a team and all necessary equipment there easier than sending them here one at a time. The stress of the move and all the complicated procedures seems more difficult than sending the help to them.

milkmanjoe 08-02-2014 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Sheepdog (Post 84447)
Why is that? Seems like they could ship a team and all necessary equipment there easier than sending them here one at a time. The stress of the move and all the complicated procedures seems more difficult than sending the help to them.

You have a point.....during travel they needed evaluation to see if they could make it here. I wonder if they are gonna die anyway and are gonna be test cases for a vaccine.

Sheepdog 08-02-2014 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by milkmanjoe (Post 84450)
You have a point.....during travel they needed evaluation to see if they could make it here. I wonder if they are gonna die anyway and are gonna be test cases for a vaccine.

That is my thinking. Pretty risky move.

milkmanjoe 08-02-2014 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Sheepdog (Post 84451)
That is my thinking. Pretty risky move.

Agreed...and I think more risk is in place now that bad people in the world, who study the Internet, have seen that Americans are chattering away about the possibility of that illness going viral here in the USA.

Would be real easy for them to plant sick people around the country and our infectious disease centers, doctors and hospitals would be overwhelmed in hours.

AdamG247 (Navy-Ret) 08-03-2014 10:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DrHenley (Post 84424)
HIV is much more difficult to transmit than Ebola. Yet HIV has spread to every corner of the earth.

Excellent point Doc!!!! This is just asinine and leads me to start thinking crazy stuff could be in the works. I am simply stupefied by this move.

DrHenley 08-04-2014 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by DrHenley (Post 84268)
I'm actually a lot more worried about the infections coming by the trainload across the southern border.

Here you go:

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At least 71 individuals from the three nations affected by the current Ebola outbreak have either turned themselves in or been caught attempting to illegally enter the U.S. by U.S. authorities between January 2014 and July 2014.
http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-T...Open-US-Border

Only a matter of time before Murphy triumphs.:rolleyes:


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