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Old 06-02-2016, 04:35 PM
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Hi Folks! This is a thread I started in FCC, but maybe some of you can help me with identifying a few of the items.

In brief, my last surviving uncle passed away this past February at the age of 93. He left a lot of memories. He also left a lot of firearms of which my aunt (his widow) wants me to take ownership, here in Florida (they live in southern GA). I am already working with a fellow FCC'er (and COTEP'ian) to arrange the Interstate transfer of the revolvers as C & R items. I'll get back to all later with that status.

Two of the items have been difficult to identify. One appears to be a re-constructed Remington "Mark III" single shot "something." I'm told by someone on FCC that the Mark III is supposed to be a flare gun but that what I have has been reconstructed as a single shot pistol of unknown caliber.









The other item I can't identify is what appears to be a five shot .22 revolver, but it has no manufacturing or serial number that is visible. I can't open the cylinder to determine any engravings.





Any help to be able to identify either of these items would be greatly appreciated. The other hand guns are easily identifiable, including a S & W model 15 K frame 6-shot chrome revolver, and a Model 10 six shot long barrel black revolver, as well as an H & R Firearms Model 922 .22 six shot revolver.

Thanks much, all!
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The revolver appears to be an Iver Johnson Defender or Defender 89.
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the revolver needs to soak in Kroil for awhile, that will free things up so you can identify further. The length and size of the chamber part of the MarkIII makes me suspect it IS some kind of flare gun. You may try to find serial #'s, model #'s, and call Remington to see if any records exist as to it's original function and go from there. Good luck
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the revolver needs to soak in Kroil for awhile, that will free things up so you can identify further. The length and size of the chamber part of the MarkIII makes me suspect it IS some kind of flare gun. You may try to find serial #'s, model #'s, and call Remington to see if any records exist as to it's original function and go from there. Good luck
I have the serial number of the Mark III. But it seems that the barrel has been re-worked. Someone on FCC pointed this out by showing this picture of an original Mark III barrel:



Now, on my Mark III, you'll notice the micro-stamping is cut off and reversed:



I'll check with Remington. They may know something about it.

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don't forget the Kroil for the revolver. Amazing stuff
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Should the whole revolver be dropped into it or should it be disassembled, first?
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Update: The "acquisition" date has been set. I will be executing a transfer agreement with my Aunt shortly after the 4th of July. As it turns out, all of the inventory items qualify as C & R, per 27 CFR §478.11. I have arranged the services of a 03 C & R FFL who will collect them at my Aunt's location and bring them to Florida, where I will receive them a few days later, after proper logging and paperwork, etc.

The 2nd update is that my Aunt was successful in opening a locked cabinet containing her own father's collection of firearms. We knew this is where all the long guns would be located, but what we didn't know is that he also kept an additional three hand guns! Don't have any pictures of these yet, and I probably won't until they are transferred, but add three more to the collection!

I'll keep you posted!
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Update: The "acquisition" date has been set. I will be executing a transfer agreement with my Aunt shortly after the 4th of July. As it turns out, all of the inventory items qualify as C & R, per 27 CFR §478.11. I have arranged the services of a 03 C & R FFL who will collect them at my Aunt's location and bring them to Florida, where I will receive them a few days later, after proper logging and paperwork, etc.

The 2nd update is that my Aunt was successful in opening a locked cabinet containing her own father's collection of firearms. We knew this is where all the long guns would be located, but what we didn't know is that he also kept an additional three hand guns! Don't have any pictures of these yet, and I probably won't until they are transferred, but add three more to the collection!

I'll keep you posted!

Sounds like you are going to have a great collection of family heirlooms!
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Sounds like you are going to have a great collection of family heirlooms!
And I hope to have most of them functioning, as well. Some may never be (the converted flare gun, for example), but I hope I can get the others cleaned and serviced and back in operation.
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