One of my former Sgt's tried to shoot me

brownie · #1 01-12-2015, 11:56 AM

The snub nose is loaded, the gun goes off. Not for the feint of heart or those who aren't sure of themselves in disarming others.

sdmc530 · #2 01-12-2015, 12:38 PM

jeesh....that was not a good practice at all. Somebody could have been killed. I would have kicked his ass!!

brownie · #3 01-12-2015, 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by sdmc530

jeesh....that was not a good practice at all. Somebody could have been killed. I would have kicked his ass!!

That's the thing about this type of training. We see it in the defensive edged weapons courses where student will perform the manual dexterity and espada y daga drills with trainers but refuse to do so with their live blade.

If you're not confident enough to play with the real deal and get accustomed to the risks involved in saving your arse, you may just not commit to the move even though you've done it millions of times in practice with a training gun.

It's not for the feint of heart, but it does give one more confidence it can be done in the wild and not just a training environ

sdmc530 · #4 01-12-2015, 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by brownie

That's the thing about this type of training. We see it in the defensive edged weapons courses where student will perform the manual dexterity and espada y daga drills with trainers but refuse to do so with their live blade.

If you're not confident enough to play with the real deal and get accustomed to the risks involved in saving your arse, you may just not commit to the move even though you've done it millions of times in practice with a training gun.

It's not for the feint of heart, but it does give one more confidence it can be done in the wild and not just a training environ

While I am not trying to start an argument and I DO respect your opinion and experience you can train to what works but I still think its a risk vs. reward thing and risk is way to high. To think only training with a loaded gun is better than empty is just risky.

I don't mean to be an ass toward you or how you do things just not my stile so no offense intended.

I just think you all are nuts

GD2A · #5 01-12-2015, 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by sdmc530

While I am not trying to start an argument and I DO respect your opinion and experience you can train to what works but I still think its a risk vs. reward thing and risk is way to high. To think only training with a loaded gun is better than empty is just risky.

I don't mean to be an ass toward you or how you do things just not my stile so no offense intended.

I just think you all are nuts

When I was married to my first wife (for those eight *glorious* months) I might have signed up for live fire training

Not so much now though

brownie · #6 01-12-2015, 09:20 PM

The mentors were adamant about keeping training as real as possible for those so inclined who'd demonstrated they could perform it against the instructors numerous times without fail and had the desire to test themselves.

Funny thing about it was, I got a call a few months after training with the boys and worked for them on and off OCONUS for nearly 3 years putting the talents they imparted to good use. The mentors were looking for candidates for jobs they'd get from time to time in and outside the US. I was chosen as one who they would use [ and thus got asked ] based on the skills and "attitude"/mentality I had back then.

Yup, I look young there, that was probably 92-93 that vid was shot. Some 20 years ago now, I'd have been 42-43 or thereabouts. No, it's not for the feint of heart, but neither was the work they had for me over those 3 years.

It is what it is, I don't allow anyone else to try that on my time or a student. What I can do and will do is fully different than what students will ever see try on my time. It looks really dangerous, it's not. I've taken two guns out of peoples hands disarming them on the streets, who were about to try to shoot me or had me muzzled. I'm still here, it works, I know it works and I know I'll not hesitate to use the skills I have when it's for all the marbles as the next time won't be the first rodeo in that arena.

Reckless endangerment? Nothing reckless about being able to take heat from someone who's intent is to kill you. Ya, reckless of the perp to try to point a gun in my direction with ill intent. The only one endangered is myself in that clip, not the shooter/leo, nor bystanders [ there weren't any ]. As for reckless, perhaps to some, to others it was a hiring skill. Made a lot of money doing jobs with others with equal talent in various skills. A lot of money, and I was recently single at the time of training in 81 and didn't give two sheets about living on the edge and testing talents in the wild.

I'm much more sedate and relaxed nowadays,

It's always interesting to read/hear the comments about how dangerous it is, how reckless it appears to be. Recklessness is a frame of mind. What some might call reckless, others take with a grain of salt, it's no big deal. Those are the types of people I was working with.