Advantage Arms 1911 .22lr Commander Conversion Kit

[DaFadda]

Hi guys... dumb, stooopid question I have here. But I've been known to ask them before.

I don't get the "conversion thing." As I looked at the prices (NH was 450, Marvel was about $480, etc... I wondered...

Why would you purchase a 400-500 dollar conversion when you could purchase the Sig 22, The Colt 22 or the GSG 22. They are complete 1911 style handguns, chambered in 22, with the look, weight and feel of a 1911 for training. GSG says they have 80% parts interchangability with the 1911. Which parts? don't know...

Don't quote me, but I think Umarex makes Colt's product, and GSG makes Sig's product. An example is that the GSG is selling for $316 today on one of the websites.

For me to make the leap to a conversion unit over a complete gun, the company would have to come in considerably lower than a $316 price point, OR be providing such high quality and accuracy that I just had to have it. I don't know what was paid for the original AA conversion from our OP.

Your thoughts are appreciated!
Da

[Grouse]

Originally Posted by DaFadda

Hi guys... dumb, stooopid question I have here. But I've been known to ask them before.

I don't get the "conversion thing." As I looked at the prices (NH was 450, Marvel was about $480, etc... I wondered...

Why would you purchase a 400-500 dollar conversion when you could purchase the Sig 22, The Colt 22 or the GSG 22. They are complete 1911 style handguns, chambered in 22, with the look, weight and feel of a 1911 for training. GSG says they have 80% parts interchangability with the 1911. Which parts? don't know...

Don't quote me, but I think Umarex makes Colt's product, and GSG makes Sig's product. An example is that the GSG is selling for $316 today on one of the websites.

For me to make the leap to a conversion unit over a complete gun, the company would have to come in considerably lower than a $316 price point, OR be providing such high quality and accuracy that I just had to have it. I don't know what was paid for the original AA conversion from our OP.

Your thoughts are appreciated!
Da

at the time i bought min none of those were out. I paid 200 cash for mine. and despite what those other pistols say, i have handled a few it is not quite the same as holding your own frame.

[AutoMag]

The same here Grouse!!

I think I paid right at $225.00 from Midway USA when I bought my Advantage Arms Target Model.

If I was going to buy a 22 just for plinking I would go with an inexpensive Ruger MK series. They are fantastic little 22's for the money.

[DaFadda]

John... I'm a Buckmark fan, but then, I've always peed against the wind!

I've not handled the Umarex/Colts, and I understand Grouse's comment that the complete guns simply weren't available. Given the propensity of people like us to play with our guns..... I'd assume that someone is going to buy the GSG, replace the MSH, trigger, sear, and whatever else they can.... and could come very close to what their 1911 is set up for. I dunno.... I'm just a workin' stiff.
(chuckling)...
Now... the comment about using your own frame has a LOT of merit, if your doing serious training and can't afford .45 ammo.
Da

[Roverron]

there's 2 reasons for me. 1--I wanted to be able to use My gun, that I also carry concealed (both the DW CCO and the NH T-3), not a separate gun. 2-- My wife has ordered her own Wilson CQB which is same size as the NH and CCO I have so it will be great practice for her to get used to the gun itself. Plus, the $$ of shooting 22 vs. 45 which comes into play whether its a conversion or separate gun. I just didn't need another 22 gun, I've got 3 now as it is but none are like or feel like my 2 guns I use daily.
There was also a 3rd issue in that if you wanted the Target model, only NH guaranteed it to fit the CCO sized frames, no one else would.

[AutoMag]

Mike, the Browning Buckmark is a great 22!! I only wish that I had not sold mine many years ago!!

[capt7d103]

+3 on the Buckmark. I have a target, heavy barrel Marble sight edition I bought about 7-8 years ago. It is more accurate than I'm capable of being and always functions perfectly. Its also the main reason I have not bought a 22 conversion for my 1911's. Well, that and I do have a CZ Kadet Conversion for my 75B Military. Its quite accurate also, but has "stovepipe" issues if it is not perfectly clean, thereby shortening range sessions with it. I will be looking into a AA conversion as I have several 1911s it should work with.

[Jason_G]

Hi guys... dumb, stooopid question I have here. But I've been known to ask them before.

I don't get the "conversion thing." As I looked at the prices (NH was 450, Marvel was about $480, etc... I wondered...

Why would you purchase a 400-500 dollar conversion when you could purchase the Sig 22, The Colt 22 or the GSG 22. They are complete 1911 style handguns, chambered in 22, with the look, weight and feel of a 1911 for training. GSG says they have 80% parts interchangability with the 1911. Which parts? don't know...

Don't quote me, but I think Umarex makes Colt's product, and GSG makes Sig's product. An example is that the GSG is selling for $316 today on one of the websites...

Not a dumb question at all.

I also like the Rugers and Buckmarks, but I didn't buy this because I just wanted a .22 pistol. The reason I didn't buy one of the newer complete .22 1911s or a Ruger or Buckmark is because I wanted more trigger time with my carry weapon than I could afford buying .45 ACP.
Even comparing one 1911 to another, you know the triggers may be much different. Not to mention some of these newer 1911 .22s have plastic internals, and to be honest, I'm not sure which ones.

The main reason I went with the conversion kit is that I wanted to have the exact same feel, exact same trigger, and exact same manual of arms as my carry pistol. I plan on eventually putting the same sights on the .22 slide as well.

You brought up weight, and there is a difference, although it's not as drastic as I thought it would be. That is the one thing that I dislike most about the kit though.

For me to make the leap to a conversion unit over a complete gun, the company would have to come in considerably lower than a $316 price point, OR be providing such high quality and accuracy that I just had to have it. I don't know what was paid for the original AA conversion from our OP.

The AA kit was $235 + shipping, which was like another $12.


Jason

[capt7d103]

Alrighty then, you've got me convinced. cowboy This way I can put BBs down range with one of my DWs and not wear it out.

[DaFadda]

+10 at Jason for his response. He wants more trigger time with his frame/trigger. If practice with your carry gun is important to you, then that's a good reason. Me? I carry three, no make that four 1911's on a regular basis, depending on what I'm wearing, or where I'm going. (NO .. NOT at the same time! LOL). So trigger feel is a bit different on each, as is sighting, etc. For me, the Buckmark provides the basic skills.

Of course... I reload, so my per shot drops like a stone compared to factory ammo. But 22 is STILL much cheaper!

da