active shooter

[milkmanjoe]

If I can get a bead on the shooter I'll take him. My priorities are to get to safety, for my family, friends, then me. No superhero stuff. However, we must remember, what we have time to think about and type here will likely not happen at the supermarket. I carry alot of spare mags and dual G17s most of the time. If I don't have a quick out for me and whoever I am with odds say a whole lotta sh*t is gonna get tore up really bad, really fast. Some of you have seen my trigger discipline live, double that with my left hand running a second G17. I see a video from me being posted when I get back to SC in two weeks.

[BlackKnight]

Well, obviously my priorities are a little different as I have an obligation to act. That being said, if I'm off duty and with my family their safety is paramount.

Coming from a non-uniformed agency and spending the first 15 years of my career working undercover narcotics I've had my share of being mistaken for a bad guy. Also, there's too many documented cases of blue on blue with tragic results. To that end my tactics has always geared toward that.

I always carry two badges, one in my wallet and one clipped to my belt that has a neck chain. If I need to engage an active shooter the badge isn't for him, it's to protect me. I will be identifying myself to the shooter via rounds going towards him. The badge will be hanging backwards so if anyone is coming up will hopefully see it.
In the winter I wear a 5.11 jacket that has the "POLICE" patch hidden in the rear.

[Caleb]

Great topic to think about.

What if you DO decide to engage the violent criminal? Now, to someone else responding the same way YOU look like the violent criminal. ..... See what I'm saying?

[DrHenley]

#1 TAKE COVER
#2 Assess the situation
#3 Decide whether you want to HIDE, FLEE, or FIGHT
#4 Reassess the situation
#5 Evaluate possible courses of action to accomplish #3
#6 Reassess the situation
#7 Take course of action.

Watching one of the videos from the Paris attack on a shop, there were some excellent opportunities for an armed citizen to take out the gunman.


In most active shooter situations (if not all) the gunmen are standing in the open not even trying to use cover. An armed citizen effectively using cover will not be mistaken for an active shooter - especially if he disengages and remains behind cover when the police arrive. Now if he's an idiot and stands out in the open firing at the active shooter, or waving his gun around after the police arrive, then yeah, he could easily get shot by the police.

[milkmanjoe]

Originally Posted by IamCaleb

Great topic to think about.

What if you DO decide to engage the violent criminal? Now, to someone else responding the same way YOU look like the violent criminal. ..... See what I'm saying?

Yup, and the reason LEO's hope others see their ID, in whatever form they are wearing. Plenty of LEO's have been shot by mistake. Just the same, if a quick out isn't possible, release a fast sh*tstorm assessing what is behind your target. Shooting and moving training is, to me, paramount. Bob Harvey(bttbbob) is the man to see for that training.