Counterbalance

[BlackKnight]

Originally Posted by milkmanjoe

I think it is a good drift, Dave went the way of the shottie and we are staying on the shottie. You also have the "benefit", of LE vehicles, uniforms, maybe even vocal LEO's with you. I use "benefit" loosely yet carefully, harm's way is harm's way. But average people basically self urinate when they see the cherries on a LEO vehicle, or hear the authoritave voice of an experienced LEO. The racking of a shottie could be anyone slamming a car door, LEO's have visuals that speak volumes. Let's try a home invasion, no LEO's involved. Would your experience say that racking a shottie is going to spook (probably multiples) in a residential home invasion? I am not being argumantative, this is a need for experienced knowledge.

First of let me address the part I highlighted. You're not being argumentative at all and I'm sorry if I come across that way. Not my intention. I just now purposely switched to my lap top (as opposed to my Ipad) to make sure I typed correctly. This is one of those conversation we would enjoy having with our favorites drinks (milk for you and whiskey for me ) and a cigar.
Anyway, if I would were to use a shotgun for defense in a home invasion there would be no "warning." There would be some lead going on target.
Again, that supports my argument (discussion) in that different scenarios call for different tactics.
And to support your argument (discussion) I know all the visual and auditory cues are not always going to work out in the street as well, especially if I'm dealing with an EDP or someone high on something. Then, my tactics will have to change.
Not everything works for everything, but not all tactics are useless either.

EDIT: Let me add that I love these type of discussions. I'm dealing here with adults of varying experience. Trust me when I tell you guys I learn a lot from you guys. You should see some of the other forums I used to visit. I gave up trying to deal with them.

EDIT #2: I also forgot to mention my home shotgun is a Benelli M1 Super 90. So racking the slide is a moot point.

[TLE2]

Racking the slide may not stop an intrusion, but it accomplishes one thing: loads a round in the chamber.

[Dave Waits]

Gentlemen, as for racking the slide. I don't. I want what I have for somebody breaking into my home to their last total surprise. We have a good 'Castle-Law' in Ohio, I don't even have to see a gun. I also have training in the offensive 'Non-Lethal' use of the shotgun should I be so predisposed.

This is not, by any means, my first dance with a shotgun.

[AutoMag]

Man........I thought I was on the 1911 forum after reading this thread!!!!!!!

[Caleb]

Originally Posted by AutoMag

Man........I thought I was on the 1911 forum after reading this thread!!!!!!!

No, because then someone would of said the 500's have mim parts and that's why you should not rack the slide.

[AutoMag]

Now that is s good one .

Or they would have compared it to a Ferrari and a Volkswagen!!!!

[Caleb]

Originally Posted by AutoMag

Now that is s good one .

Or they would have compared it to a Ferrari and a Volkswagen!!!!

True.

[aloreman]

For home defense we have an old stevens side by side sawed off to 18.5 inches and loaded with #4 buck. should stop any bad people

[milkmanjoe]

Originally Posted by BlackKnight

First of let me address the part I highlighted. You're not being argumentative at all and I'm sorry if I come across that way. Not my intention. I just now purposely switched to my lap top (as opposed to my Ipad) to make sure I typed correctly. This is one of those conversation we would enjoy having with our favorites drinks (milk for you and whiskey for me ) and a cigar.
Anyway, if I would were to use a shotgun for defense in a home invasion there would be no "warning." There would be some lead going on target.
Again, that supports my argument (discussion) in that different scenarios call for different tactics.
And to support your argument (discussion) I know all the visual and auditory cues are not always going to work out in the street as well, especially if I'm dealing with an EDP or someone high on something. Then, my tactics will have to change.
Not everything works for everything, but not all tactics are useless either.

EDIT: Let me add that I love these type of discussions. I'm dealing here with adults of varying experience. Trust me when I tell you guys I learn a lot from you guys. You should see some of the other forums I used to visit. I gave up trying to deal with them.

EDIT #2: I also forgot to mention my home shotgun is a Benelli M1 Super 90. So racking the slide is a moot point.

I love these discussions too! There is a BIG difference between this forum and others. Here we can have a drink(whiskey for me too, plz) and put out different scenarios. I dislike the other places where the "I know it all and your opinion doesn't count" is the general attitude. Yup, I get it, saw what you saw on other forums. Plus we have here, he has seen the same and is darn good at keeping COTEP life in line.
I do think you will find most people won't depend on anything visual or vocal in a SD situation. But, with you being an LEO, your situations have alot more variables. I have me and two young sons, a young daughter and a wife who shoots a little. In a parking lot they will go low and scatter, we have key words. At home the boys have shotties and gather the others in a safe room, call 911, while I keep the only access to that room clear with an M1A/1911 combo. Creeps against a family is the same as "I don't care about your life and I know you are sh*t scared, against a family". "cept I ain't sh*t scared.

In a parking lot you have a marked car, uniform(two very effective tools), and maybe backup. The possibilities of the "scaredness" being reversed on to the BG's shoulders are endless. More then likely they will try to escape, knowiing you have firepower and they will end up in the big house. In my case they have little to fear until I start shooting and moving, then they will wake up.

So, we have two different lifestyles. But in the dark, in the middle of the night, at your house, the window breaks, your eyes clear and you see the silhouette(s) standing/moving in the living room, we become the same person. Light that Benelli up and ask questions later. I love the Castle Doctrine.

[AutoMag]

That is why I like this forum. We can have a discussion, and we all know that not everyone agrees with what someone else might but we do not get to the name calling and bickering as on other forums. You all know what I mean!!!

Another thing we an kid around and most of the time it is not taken seriously as we are all one big happy family here!!!

You also .............you ole bat!!!!!