Glock Trigger

[ColMike]

Originally Posted by milkmanjoe

A Glock will NEVER be a 1911, nor will it ever point/shoot like one. Ever.

Apples and Oranges. Boo Hoo.

Why would you want it to be? If you want a 1911? If you want cheerios you dont buy sugar pops. I have some of both varieties. Stock Glock triggers leave a lot to be desired. Gary does good Work on mine. I like them.

On the other hand, when i shot on the Army pistol team, the first thing we did when we got a 1911 in the arms room was a trigger job. When i was in a regular Army unit, i thought the stock trigger heavy, rough and traveled more than i like. We just didnt want them at competition condition in a combat unit. Someone would have shot themselves in the leg or worse at 2.5#. Todays 1911 in the DW, Wilson, etc have already had their triggger jobs, just look at the price tag.

I have a 1911 on the column of my truck. When I go to the woods, a G19/17, and concealed, a kahr pm9. All three have their pros and cons.

Botttom line, in most cases, my s shoot as good if not better than my 1911 and even with a tuneup cost less than a wilson, NHC, etc.

YMMV.

[milkmanjoe]

Originally Posted by ColMike

Why would you want it to be? If you want a 1911? If you want cheerios you dont buy sugar pops. I have some of both varieties. Stock Glock triggers leave a lot to be desired. Gary does good Work on mine. I like them.

On the other hand, when i shot on the Army pistol team, the first thing we did when we got a 1911 in the arms room was a trigger job. When i was in a regular Army unit, i thought the stock trigger heavy, rough and traveled more than i like. We just didnt want them at competition condition in a combat unit. Someone would have shot themselves in the leg or worse at 2.5#. Todays 1911 in the DW, Wilson, etc have already had their triggger jobs, just look at the price tag.

I have a 1911 on the column of my truck. When I go to the woods, a G19/17, and concealed, a kahr pm9. All three have their pros and cons.

Botttom line, in most cases, my s shoot as good if not better than my 1911 and even with a tuneup cost less than a wilson, NHC, etc.

YMMV.

I don't want it to be, nor would I make claims it could happen. Cause it cannot. A Glock, like the original 1911, is nothing more than a combat handgun. Meant to be more reliable than target accurate. 1911's came up to a higher level of accuracy, due to, of course, accurizing. Glocks do not and never will have the ability to be as accurate as a properly tuned 1911. Never. If anyone thinks they can I will ask why 1911's constistantly win at Pendleton and Quantico.....
And by they way, I own over forty Glocks, mostly 17's, going back to Gen1's. I am Pro-Glock for a SD pistol, carrying a G17 customized by Lane at Cold Bore Customs right now. As good as it point shoots I have stock 1911's that are WAY more accurate, especially after the thirty yard marker.
I am very happy that this conversation is happening now. My plan for the last two weeks was to ask Gary to "have his way" with a stock G17. Much as I know about the pistols I always maintain that somebody always knows more, can do more. Gary's posts say that he is that person, and I have faith he is. Now I just hafta feel the difference fer myself.

[brownie]

I've never changed or altered the standard 5.5 trigger on any of my s. They'll drill one small ragged hole at 5 yrds if the shooter does his part. I shoot 4-5 rds a second with stock 5.5 triggers. Splits run .16-.18 normally with the occasional .15 or .19 split.

I see NO need to work on a factory trigger. I do see a need to shoot the snot of it and learn the trigger. I'm not sure I'd spend money on a "trigger job" to gain very little where splits or rds per second is concerned.

I've got over 120K rds through the g17 1st gen.

Keep in mind, the above after carrying [ professionally on the streets ] 1911's over 28 years full time, sometimes two. Hand me a 1911, I shoot it well, hand me a , I shoot it just as well.

It did take me 1K rds through the to reach the same level of proficiency with the g17, so the advice I give is, go shoot the snot of out it and marry the trigger finger to the as you have the 1911s.

[Caleb]

What brownie said....

Now, if you really need to "fix" a trigger. .......just buy an M&P. Trigger fixed.

[pitor]

Originally Posted by brownie

I've never changed or altered the standard 5.5 trigger on any of my s. They'll drill one small ragged hole at 5 yrds if the shooter does his part. I shoot 4-5 rds a second with stock 5.5 triggers. Splits run .16-.18 normally with the occasional .15 or .19 split.

I see NO need to work on a factory trigger. I do see a need to shoot the snot of it and learn the trigger. I'm not sure I'd spend money on a "trigger job" to gain very little where splits or rds per second is concerned.

I've got over 120K rds through the g17 1st gen.

Keep in mind, the above after carrying [ professionally on the streets ] 1911's over 28 years full time, sometimes two. Hand me a 1911, I shoot it well, hand me a , I shoot it just as well.

It did take me 1K rds through the to reach the same level of proficiency with the g17, so the advice I give is, go shoot the snot of out it and marry the trigger finger to the as you have the 1911s.

But just to play devil's advocate, it could be argued that rather than spending hundreds of dollars in ammo throwing rounds downrange, one could also spend half of that money on a trigger job, which in no way replaces trigger time, and still make the weapon more accurate to one's ability.

[milkmanjoe]

Originally Posted by brownie

I've never changed or altered the standard 5.5 trigger on any of my s. They'll drill one small ragged hole at 5 yrds if the shooter does his part. I shoot 4-5 rds a second with stock 5.5 triggers. Splits run .16-.18 normally with the occasional .15 or .19 split.

I see NO need to work on a factory trigger. I do see a need to shoot the snot of it and learn the trigger. I'm not sure I'd spend money on a "trigger job" to gain very little where splits or rds per second is concerned.

I've got over 120K rds through the g17 1st gen.

Keep in mind, the above after carrying [ professionally on the streets ] 1911's over 28 years full time, sometimes two. Hand me a 1911, I shoot it well, hand me a , I shoot it just as well.

It did take me 1K rds through the to reach the same level of proficiency with the g17, so the advice I give is, go shoot the snot of out it and marry the trigger finger to the as you have the 1911s.

Originally Posted by IamCaleb

What brownie said....

Now, if you really need to "fix" a trigger. .......just buy an M&P. Trigger fixed.

Originally Posted by pitor

But just to play devil's advocate, it could be argued that rather than spending hundreds of dollars in ammo throwing rounds downrange, one could also spend half of that money on a trigger job, which in no way replaces trigger time, and still make the weapon more accurate to one's ability.

And then we have the aging guy(ME) who spent his youth with half frozen wet hands milking cows/delivering milk in sub zero temperaures. This is the guy who depends on alterations so he can shoot thousands of rounds in a weekend. I can shoot thousands of rounds from a 1911, but I find the lighter weight Glock more punishing on my hands. So, Brownie's theory of practice till you get it cannot work for everyone. But once the alteration(s) are complete, yup, practice till you get it.

[brownie]

Originally Posted by pitor

But just to play devil's advocate, it could be argued that rather than spending hundreds of dollars in ammo throwing rounds downrange, one could also spend half of that money on a trigger job, which in no way replaces trigger time, and still make the weapon more accurate to one's ability.

An educated trigger finger needs not have a trigger job to shoot with the best of them. As an example, Miculek's race gun went down [ revo used d/a only ] one match early in his career with S+W, who was on scene and handed him a stock 45acp revo. He won the match at the end of the day against the best of the best.

He's still trying to break Ed McGivern's many records for speed and accuracy, he broken a few so far, Ed also shooting stock s+w revos back on the 30's and 40's.

The 1K rds to shoot the g17 as well as the 1911's I'd carried for 30+ years was learning the trigger and the variance in grip angle. Upwards of 300K rds through the 1911's over decades, 1K on the , I was shooting it with the same speed and accuracy.

If you don't shoot, you can't shoot. As you know, students hand me their firearms all the time and I shoot them equally as well as my own make/models. In my own case, the carrying and shooting a Sig da/sa while in blue for several years really increased the trigger finger education. In 3-4K rounds, I could shoot the 226 or 228 as well as the 1911's after decades. A lighter trigger may have saved me 1-2Krds down range, but the trigger finger wouldn't have been any more educated or made a difference in speed or accuracy.

So yes, one might save a few K of ammo with a trigger job, but the well educated trigger finger that can operated a 5.5# stock trigger or a Sig DA/SA 10/4 trigger system can be handed any firearm and see excellent results.

Half the reason many carry, shoot, and prefer a 1911? Many reasons but one important one is it's trigger weight. My 1911's sd guns are set at 4.5#'s, the is another pound on the pull weight over whats considered the best trigger of any firearm made.