I support ammo background checks

milkmanjoe · #1 10-20-2015, 11:05 AM

All this will do is drive up the price of ammo. More laws, on top of more laws, on top of more laws, has never fixed anything. Anyone who does not believe me can look at the tax laws, which nearly all politicians are now seeking to simplify. Or, less laws, less laws, less laws. It will create some money in fees, like a tax, which will screw the consumer as usual. There is absolutely NO proof that regulating ammo will provide a more safe America. No proof, zero, zilch.

When I was a kid, in Commie Jersey no less, we had guns and ammo everywhere. My neighbors did, my uncles had plenty. Gun ranges were plentiful. Cops didn't leave their homes for their duty shift in fear of being shot dead. And nobody got murdered.

What we have is a societal problem. Regulating ammo just proves we are not willing to address the cause of shootings, especially mass shootings. And the proof will be when the ammo is restricted and a shooting occurs. Until our screwed up society is addressed, public safety will remain a myth.

There are 100 million plus guns in America. The ammo will flow. Society needs healing.

Gatorade · #2 10-20-2015, 11:35 AM

I would support background checks for ammo but with these stipulations that would probably mean it will never happen.

1 no additional fees for the background check

2 No additional time constraints than are already in place. Make it as quick as swiping a drivers license and the terminal returning a Go-No go.

When you impede the law abiding citizen from exercising their RIGHTS then you are as bad as Brady, Clinton and Finestien. They would love to ban ammo purchases and the toe in the door is to put red tape inbetween you and your ammo. That gives them the leverage to pull the system off line during a time of emergency or other "reasonable" times they don't want you to be able to access ammo. The retailer can't get a check in because the system is down and you are screwed. "Never mind that dangling data cable from the back of the machine, sorry no ammo sales till we can get a tech from corporate out here to plug it in. May be a few days because they are really backed up with other data cables unplugged in all of our other locations."

skosh69 · #3 10-20-2015, 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Gatorade

I would support background checks for ammo but with these stipulations that would probably mean it will never happen.

1 no additional fees for the background check

2 No additional time constraints than are already in place. Make it as quick as swiping a drivers license and the terminal returning a Go-No go.

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See, Charlie get's it! This is exactly what I was trying to convey in my OP, but failed to correctly express it.

Let's say that once a year, you apply for and get granted your ammo buying ID that you would have to show each time you purchase ammo.

It's not a perfect plan, but it would stop FELONS and ILLEGALS from buying ammo.

sdmc530 · #4 10-20-2015, 12:13 PM

Now this I can get on board with. Just a check and a card, you got the card you go no issues.......HOWEVER the government will use this data off your card to track what you are buying...this is bad.

Does this apply to primers, powder, cases and bullets? Where would it go and stop at?

RKP · #5 10-20-2015, 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by sdmc530

...... Where would it go and stop at?

Exactly!

First thing that comes to mind is: You give them an inch and they'll want to take a mile .... I don't trust them one iota ! YMMV

Riverpigusmc · #6 10-20-2015, 12:31 PM

No. I don't need another law that does nothing but restrict my rights. What I need is to be left the f*** alone

milkmanjoe · #7 10-20-2015, 01:44 PM

[QUOTE=skosh69;120486]See, Charlie get's it! This is exactly what I was trying to convey in my OP, but failed to correctly express it.

Let's say that once a year, you apply for and get granted your ammo buying ID that you would have to show each time you purchase ammo.

It's not a perfect plan, but it would stop FELONS and ILLEGALS from buying ammo.[/QUOTE]

You mean like the current gun laws stop them from buying guns? Or the current driving laws stop them from driving? Or the current murder laws stop them from murdering? Or the current drug laws stop trafficking?

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Originally Posted by Riverpigusmc

No. I don't need another law that does nothing but restrict my rights. What I need is to be left the f*** alone

Exactly, this would only affect legal buyers and would also create a HUGE black market for ammo. Criminals will have ammo, and not pay more like we would have to. Notice it failed in New York

Xbonz · #8 10-20-2015, 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Riverpigusmc

No. I don't need another law that does nothing but restrict my rights. What I need is to be left the f*** alone

This^^^^

Plus, I'm sorry Mr. Skosh but you've exceeded your ammo quota for the month. BTW, why do you need 1000 rounds of ammo? Planning on going on a killing spree?

Also Mr. Skosh, due to the overabundance of murders committed by blunt instruments such as hammers and baseball bats you're going to have to register all of your hardware and sporting goods purchase.. And we need to check to make sure you are eligible to purchase those kitchen knives...

Any other reasons needed why ammo background checks SUCK?!!!!

Gatorade · #9 10-20-2015, 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by skosh69

See, Charlie get's it! This is exactly what I was trying to convey in my OP, but failed to correctly express it.

Let's say that once a year, you apply for and get granted your ammo buying ID that you would have to show each time you purchase ammo.

It's not a perfect plan, but it would stop FELONS and ILLEGALS from buying ammo.

Not quite what I said. I said swipe your DL. Your DL will let a cop know on the side of the road if you have a warrant or if you are a felon. So use it for purchase. I am not for having to jump through hoops to keep a seperate ID like an Illinois Firearms Owner Identification. When you have to have a seperate ID then you are creating an undue burden on the law abiding citizen. Everyone has a state issued ID already so no need to have another card. Just swipe and go. Like getting carded for alcohol or tobacco purchases but swiping the ID. The swipe gives a simple yes or no. It doesn't ask for how much ammo or what caliber. So you would have the same result when you buy a box of .22 as when you buy a case packed in ammo cans of Federal XM855. The system just says yes or no.

DaFadda · #10 10-20-2015, 03:38 PM

In Connecticut... in order to purchase ammo, you must have either a "ammo card"..... which very few people have, OR a "permit to carry pistols and revolvers". With either of these, the salesman at Wallyworld can sell you the ammunition.

That said,........ I felt that the state taking that much control over my life, and my rights.... was too onerous to remain in Connecticut. Which is why I'm a res-eeeee-dent of Hicksville Tennessee. One of many reasons that this Yankee moved to a free state. And no... I will not abide by California or Connecticut STATE law ever again. If necessary... I'll move to Montana, where it is too freakin' cold to live. But at least they are free.