Interesting Article

[Caleb]

Check this article out and let's discuss. What are your thoughts?

http://www.alloutdoor.com/2016/08/31...kly+Newsletter

[FfNJGTFO]

Originally Posted by Caleb

Check this article out and let's discuss. What are your thoughts?

http://www.alloutdoor.com/2016/08/31...kly+Newsletter

It is likely to happen this way? I'm not sure. Could it happen this way? It's possible. What we need to do is pester or congress critters to pass legislation protecting 2A by not allowing these types of executive actions. That, and keeping only minimal wealth in banks. It's all we can do. Either this, or we will have Civil War 2.0 on our hands.

[AFJuvat]

That would make the most sense from an officer safety point of view. I really do not see confiscation ever really happening. There really are too many of them out there. Legislation that would prohibit you from ever taking them out of your home would be far easier to implement.

The article presumes that "they' (the government) know what you have, when they simply do not, and cannot.

When you buy a firearm from a FFL holder, you fill out ATF Form 4473. Those forms are held by the FFL, in other words, they never leave the gun store, until the FFL surrenders their license.

When the license is surrendered, all records and bound books held by the FFL get sent to the ATF to go in the warehouse with all the other paperwork sent in by FFL holders that have surrendered their license.

Unless of course, you are a FFL03, in which case, you do not need to send in your records, you can just throw them away.

Here is how police trace a firearm today. A firearm is used at in a crime and recovered at the scene. There are no fingerprints on the firearm and nothing on it to ease identification.

1. If the state has policy of firearms registration, the state database is checked. If nothing is found....

2. Police contact ATF or manufacturer after checking to see if firearm was reported stolen (only FFLs have the requirement to report thefts to the ATF, many stolen firearms that are reported to police do not get reported to the ATF).

3. Manufacturer reports firearm sold to X wholesaler or Y retailer. They have 48 hours to respond to a LE or ATF inquiry.

4. ATF has to verify that the wholesaler or retailer still holds a valid license. If the license is still valid, they contact the retailer, who has 48 hours to respond.

4a. If the license was surrendered, the ATF has to search the warehouse.

5. Repeat step 4 until documentation indicates that the firearm is in the possession of the person who bought it..

6. ATF or local LE contacts the last known owner of firearm.

If the owner sold the firearm to a FFL (gun or pawn shop), go back to step 4 and repeat again.

Gun was sold on Gun Broker to an out of state buyer, Go back to Step 4.

No state I am aware of currently requires the owner of a firearm to record the name and address of the person they sold a firearm to in a private party sale in the same state as the owner. Many do, just to cover themselves, but those records get lost all the time, especially in a scenario like the article proposes.

There is no requirement to report a firearm lost, destroyed or stolen unless you hold a FFL.

It can take 7 - 90 days or more to trace one firearm when you know the manufacturer and serial number. Multiply that by the 200+ million known firearms in the US when you aren't sure who has what.

Consider the Holy Grail of firearms registration, The NFA Registry, which records the history and all known owners of transferable, pre and post sample machine guns, SBRs, SBSs, Suppressors, and Destructive Devices is run on a MS Access 2000 database. The ATF admits it is in dire need of an upgrade, and has publicly acknowledged to have errors and inaccuracies.

It has been suggested that the best way to 'fix' it would be to upgrade the system, and then hold another nationwide amnesty registration - a.k.a "if you happen to have a unregistered NFA weapon, fill out the form 4, pay your $200 and we will make it legal." Don't see that happening anytime soon.