Law Student Stands Up to COP

[Grouse]

that is an old one two. pushing a cops buttons when he had every reasont o ask. is just phvcking stupidity.

[Roverron]

Well I agree sort of. . . but the 4th Amendment says:
"The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized."

Im still not so sure LE's have the right to conduct these types of stops. I could be wrong but it borders on violation of the 4th as I read it.

And this isn't in reference to the 1st video posted of the street idiot, this is only in reference to the LEO car stops in the 2nd video.

[Boats]

Slippery slope.

Not sure what to say about that one. I likely wouldn't do that, but I'm glad some people do.

Tom

[Snipersnest]

Unless things have changed and I don't know what the Border Patrol guys limitations are, but a police officer can detain a person and ask whither he is going (thresehold inquiry). He also can ask for an ID. By that kid refusing to answer questions, it gives a police officer resonable suspicion that a crime has, is, or is about to be committed.

[AutoMag]

Originally Posted by Snipersnest

Unless things have changed and I don't know what the Border Patrol guys limitations are, but a police officer can detain a person and ask whither he is going (thresehold inquiry). He also can ask for an ID. By that kid refusing to answer questions, it gives a police officer resonable suspicion that a crime has, is, or is about to be committed.

I agree .

If I was one of those Officers I would have been real suspicious of him due to his actions.

Just answer the questions and be on your way. I guess I am old school in that I was taught to respect those in authority.

[Grouse]

that was true for me when i was in oregon. you could ask for id for verificatio. of who you are, lying about whk you are or your acitities gives resonable suspicion to look for probible cause of a crime or on about to be commited.

in the second case the vid was taken at a border crossing where those questions are entirely valid. the dissention in answering them is such an abnormal response that in itself you have reasonable suspiscion . remember it was reasonable suspiscion that lead the border officer to ask abiut why the guy was sweating in the mellenium bomber plot in blaine washington

[Grouse]

damn fat thumbs

[US.45]

I dunno but I think the kid in the first vid is right on his facts but wrong on his application. I can't figure out why anybody would open carry; just asking for trouble, in my opinion, from the cops or worse, bad guys wanting to take you out first. I didn't watch the second vid. .02c

[dw1911]

The 2nd Video has good examples of resisting Tyranny from the "Police State" type stops. The 4th Amendment is clear on these things.
I know they easily could have "Complied" and went on their way, but we have to start standing up for our Rights!