Summer carry

[douglas_knott]

Originally Posted by AutoMag

I carry either my Compact or full size 1911 all year long!!

+1 full size 1911 all the time. you wont catch me in shorts.

[Mike45]

It is summer here in Houston 10 months out of the year and carry my 4" Rock bobtail almost year round. But I am liking my wife's 238 and am thinking of getting one for me.

[Cap]

Originally Posted by tubbs

Sorry to hear about your troubles with your 238 Cap. I have a 642 and I usually dont carry it for pocket carry due to the weight. I trust my LCP to go bang and is super light.

My son has an LCP.
We shot appx 100 rounds when he first got it.
no problems with it, but I personally don't care for it or the Kel-Tec cousin

BTW, i don't put the LCP, SIG, Kel-tec, etc in the same "mouse gun" class at the Kahr PM/CM9
The Kahr is a small auto, but I don't consider it a true "mouse gun"


as far as my Sig...
I'm pretty anal about a carry gun .
2 MALFs in 400 rnds will take it out of the carry rotation for "me" until I can determine why and fix it.
Then after a 200 flawless round trial it can go back in the rotation .

But I am liking my wife's 238 and am thinking of getting one for me.

told you so.....
Mine has fed everything I've stuffed in a mag. (appx 500 rnds)
Cheap Czech ammo, (that's noticeably weaker compared to everything else) WWB, God Dots, Ranger T HP, Hornady Critical Defense all fed without a bobble .
I figure the reset hic-up can't be all that big of a deal to get squared away


..L.T.A.

[VietVet68]

Originally Posted by Grizzman

I'm also a fan of the Sig P238, but reliability with them seem to be hit or miss. Mine occasionally (like once every couple hundred rounds) fails to eject, but I should receive the 3rd generation extended magazines with room for my pinky on Monday or Tuesday.

I developed a handload for it with Hornady's 90 grain XTP that I think chrono'd at a little over 1125 fps. For factory self defense ammo, I use Cor Bon's 90 grain JHP, and they clocked at a hair under 1050 fps.

The best part about the P238 is that it's really easy to shoot well (not I hit the target well, but easy 2" group at 10 yards well) and recoil is very mild.

Thanks everybody for your thoughtful replies, you've given me a lot to think about and I really like the chart from "Bad Oscar".
, your data suggests that the .380 can perform acceptably with the proper ammo so I guess I need to reconsider the P238.
It looks like I've got a bit more homework to do before I make my final decision and when I do I'll report back which one I chose and why.

[tubbs]

I agree with the Kahr statement. Kahr hit it right with the PM9. I love my P9.

[allrockabilly]

Yea I too have loved my Kahr PM9. I haven't had any failures yet and it's a great shooter. I also have a Sig P238 which I carry in my pocket in a pocket holster most of the time. I carry my PM9 IWB appendix carry.

I love both guns, yes I would rather carry 9mm over 380, anyways everyone knows that argument.

I would like to find the MK9 with the SS frame and see how she shoots compared to the PM9.

Yes I would love to be able to carry my CCO or VBOB all the time but sometimes with my job I just can't.

-Ryan S

[allrockabilly]

Originally Posted by oak1971

Why bother with .380 when you can get the same size package in a 9mm Kahr MK9?



Caliber: 9mm
Capacity: 6+1, 7+1 (magazine with grip extension)
Operation: Trigger cocking DAO; lock breech; "Browning - type" recoil lug; passive striker block; no magazine disconnect
Barrel: 3.0", polygonal rifling; 1 - 10 right-hand twist
Length O/A: 5.3"
Height: 4.0"
Slide Width: .90"
Weight: Pistol 22.1 ounces, Magazine 1.9 ounces
Grips: Wraparound, textured hard nylon
Sights: Drift adjustable, white bar-dot combat sights
Finish: Polished stainless steel
Magazines: 1 each: 6 rd flush floorplate & 7 rd extended grip

Mine is the Elite model with night sights and a polished finish.

Very nice pistol

Man I wish I could find one of those MK9's in a LGS around me, I know I could order one but I have to see one in person. My PM9 is quality all the way. I would love to see how they made the receiver on the MK9. Obviously the PM9 is probably a lot lighter than the MK9 just because The PM has the Polymer frame and the MK is SS...blah, blah.

Thanks for the pic, now I want to find an MK9.

-Ryan S

[allrockabilly]

I do have to say that Kahr Arms makes some quality products. But you do have to pay for them, definitely shop around if you go with a Kahr. The MSRP price will scare most people away but you can find some good deals out there if you shop around. IMO they are excellent pistols.

My Kahr PM9 and P380 have been 100 percent.



Just incase anyone is interested in the Kahr pistols here are a few specs. Obviously you can go to Kahr's website and search through everything and see all there other models, calibers and options but this is just to show the differences between these pistols. DON'T let the MSRP scare you away!

Kahr PM9 =

PM9 (Basic model "no night sights")
PM9093 (3.0" Barrel)
Black polymer frame, matte stainless slide
MSRP: $786.00 - (if you shop around you can probably find one for a little over $600 or maybe better)
Caliber: 9mm
Capacity: 6+1, 7+1 (magazine with grip extension)
Operation: Trigger cocking DAO; lock breech; "Browning - type" recoil lug; passive striker block; no magazine disconnect
Barrel: 3.0", polygonal rifling; 1 - 10 right-hand twist
Length O/A: 5.42"
Height: 4.0"
Slide Width: .90"
Weight: Pistol 14 ounces, Magazine 1.9 ounces
Grips: Textured polymer
Sights: Drift adjustable, white bar-dot combat sights
Finish: Black polymer frame, matte stainless steel slide*
Magazines: 1 each: 6 rd flush floorplate & 7 rd extended grip


NEW Kahr CM9 (almost identical to the PM9 but without some of the bells & whistles so they where able to cut the price down) =

CM9
CM9093 (3.0" Barrel)
Black polymer frame, matte stainless slide
MSRP: $565.00
Now Shipping!!
Ships with one magazine only!!!
Caliber: 9mm
Capacity: 6+1
Operation: Trigger cocking DAO; lock breech; "Browning - type" recoil lug; passive striker block; no magazine disconnect
Barrel: 3.0", conventional rifling; 1 - 10 right-hand twist
Length O/A: 5.42"
Height: 4.0"
Slide Width: .90"
Weight: Pistol 14 ounces, Magazine 1.9 ounces
Grips: Textured polymer
Sights: Drift adjustable, white bar-dot combat sights
Finish: Black polymer frame, matte stainless steel slide*
Magazine: 1 - 6 rd flush floor plate.


Kahr MK9 =

MK9 (basic not elite)
M9093 (3" Barrel)
Matte stainless steel
MSRP: $855.00
Caliber: 9mm
Capacity: 6+1, 7+1 (magazine with grip extension)
Operation: Trigger cocking DAO; lock breech; "Browning - type" recoil lug; passive striker block; no magazine disconnect
Barrel: 3.0", polygonal rifling; 1 - 10 right-hand twist
Length O/A: 5.3"
Height: 4.0"
Slide Width: .90"
Weight: Pistol 22.1 ounces, Magazine 1.9 ounces
Grips: Wraparound, textured hard nylon
Sights: Drift adjustable, white bar-dot combat sights
Finish: Matte stainless steel
Magazines: 1 each: 6 rd flush floorplate & 7 rd extended grip


Just to throw it in to compare - the Kahr P380 =

P380 (Basic model)
KP3833 (2.5" Barrel)
Black polymer frame, matte stainless slide
MSRP: $649.00
Caliber: .380 ACP
Capacity: 6+1
Operation: Trigger cocking DAO; lock breech; "Browning - type" recoil lug; passive striker block; no magazine disconnect
Barrel: 2.5", Premium Lothar Walther Match Grade Barrel (very nice barrels)
Length O/A: 4.9"
Height: 3.9"
Slide Width: .75"
Weight: Pistol 9.97 ounces (w/o magazine)
Grips: Textured polymer
Sights: Drift adjustable, white bar-dot combat sights
Finish: Black polymer frame, matte stainless steel slide
Magazines: 2 - 6 rd, Stainless


-Ryan S