Accuracy not Speed. <flame suit on>

[Grouse]

I should have clarified i was speaking specifically about civilian sports.

[Riverpigusmc]

Same difference. You are practicing for reasons of accurate fire, whether for sport or in the event you need self defense. If you don't hit your target, it's wasted effert

[Grouse]

Originally Posted by Riverpigusmc

Same difference. You are practicing for reasons of accurate fire, whether for sport or in the event you need self defense. If you don't hit your target, it's wasted effert

It is. Hitting a silhouette target in a 6 shot 12 inch group is not nearly as effective as being able to hit the silhouette target in a 6 shot 2" group.

Deliberate accurate fire is the most effective way to practice.

[Sheepdog]

I think training is everything. I don't know that I would agree that 6 shots in a 2 inch group is more effective than six shots in a 12 inch group, if all shots are to center mass. I do agree that being able to put 6 shots in a 2" group would probably benefit you in a real life situation. I would be pleased to have 6 shots in the bad guy, in a real life situation. My other thought is that you do need to be fast enough not to be dead. IMHO

[Grouse]

Again i am talking about 1-2" groups, versus the practice shooting at large silhouette and calling a 20" diameter group accurate.

I do not know if that would be more effective in a civilians life and death situation.

I do know that being accurate allows me to be faster with more accuracy. I can be stupidly fast blam blam blam just like every one else. More over I can do it with much better accuracy than most of the tactical practicals out there.


I am not sure that civilian defense situations require speed over accuracy.

I do not think everyone has the capability to be an operator, a competitor, o fast gun, but i do believe that most people can be accurate to one inch at 30 ft.

Being able to pic a target at close confrontation distances and hit that accurately and consistently will server you better than being fast and missing or wounding your target.

[Grouse]

another guy posted this link.

http://www.gunnuts.net/2013/06/18/do...-fundamentals/

[Sheepdog]

At Gunsite, they promoted being fast enough to be accurate. I think it is very important to "work on something" don't just go burn three hundred rounds without thought of getting better at doing something. I have a coach/friend that works with me on the Kinesiology of shooting and other things. I shoot outside and like to run and gun that takes away from some of my accuracy. I too shoot at 1" dots and try to shoot them out. ing and practice, muscle memory, stance, GRIP, draw, trigger control...... are of more importance then what the timer says. My goal is to do the same thing every time. I also take a video camera with me, so I can see how my form needs work (much). I also use a timer because it helps me to see if I'm getting better compared to accuracy. I am constantly amazed at the number of CCL have never drawn from a holster! I went to Gunsite thinking I would be with the best shooters in the class. LOL I had no idea how deficient I was. I feel everybody needs some instruction! Most people don't know how deficient they are. My soapbox.

[Riverpigusmc]

Originally Posted by Grouse

Again i am talking about 1-2" groups, versus the practice shooting at large silhouette and calling a 20" diameter group accurate.

I do not know if that would be more effective in a civilians life and death situation.

I do know that being accurate allows me to be faster with more accuracy. I can be stupidly fast blam blam blam just like every one else. More over I can do it with much better accuracy than most of the tactical practicals out there.


I am not sure that civilian defense situations require speed over accuracy.

I do not think everyone has the capability to be an operator, a competitor, o fast gun, but i do believe that most people can be accurate to one inch at 30 ft.

Being able to pic a target at close confrontation distances and hit that accurately and consistently will server you better than being fast and missing or wounding your target.

That's what I was saying...it's the fastest ACCURATE shots that count...not seeing how fast you can get shots off. However, the first person to hit the other person center mass usually comes out ahead

[ColMike]

Originally Posted by Riverpigusmc

That's what I was saying...it's the fastest ACCURATE shots that count...not seeing how fast you can get shots off. However, the first person to hit the other person center mass usually comes out ahead

I believe a "B" plan fast is better than an "A" plan slow.

Also, I believe I spend too much of my training time pulling the trigger and not enough getting to the point where I will pull the trigger with my 1911s. OTOH for CAS, I spend a LOT of time getting the weapon to the point of pulling the trigger.